So, since I'm the only one who thinks the current Skitarii PDF list is a total mess, I feel it behoven upon me to present an alternative.

So, just as long as something like this happened : http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/ ... 40#p437240

Then the army list I've attached below might be more workable than the current Skitarii list, being as it has only 26 unit types, plus a few dozen configurations of Titan (but not the hundreds? thousands? of configurations available to the full AMTL army list).

The resulting list still has more options than any other Epic army list other than the AMTL list itself, I believe.

The Ordinati have been limited to 6 of each - the Majoris are all based on ones that are already in Epic (Armageddon, Golgotha, Mars, Cadia) or are in the background (Priam, Gehenna).

The Minoris are all made up, but should cover most of the popular types.

Robots got compacted into one category due to the rarity of models. Also picked up an AA attack so the Hydra can be dropped, and Fearless due to being a small formation.

Tech Lord got the Conversion Beamer.


I totally don't have time to test this style of list for another 3 months.

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russ thread:

I agree entirely that peoples' collections should not be a big concern in list development, so why is it given as the reason here? Majoris minis are also very rare/non existant, they haven't been compacted.

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Slightly different rationales.

Remove Macharius == because they don't fit. Because they don't fit, what people have already collected in the cause of collecting an experimental list really doesn't matter.

Compact robots == Because people are going to have real trouble getting robots of any sort. So in this case it's important.

Should have clarified my original statement, apparently.

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Ok, but people will have real trouble geting the OOP majoris as well. This list has some units with no minis at all, so compacting others where minis exist but are hard to find seems odd.

Compacting them because this is not a legio cybernetica dedicated list is a great reason. Doing so because they are OOP and ebay only is not.

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Ordinatii are really easy to scratchbuild (2 SHT hulls plus some big guns).
Robots are harder to sculpt, and you'd need to make lots.

That one issue aside, what do you think?

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My pedantry aside :

Any reason to have a mobile skit formation as a separate core instead of a transport upgrade for the regular formation? Don't mind either way, just interested.

Not keen on slow firing sagerarii from a chit-counter perspective. Or would the 2* plasma allow them to elect to take 1 shot each turn, or two and then slow fire?

Now the robot options are reduced the list has no scout units? good, bad, dunno, just an observation.

List feels like it has a lot of differnt heavy armed infantry in it, praetorians, fire support, sagitarii, robots (ok, LV). Would have thought one of those classes could go … maybe swap for some sort of AV formation.

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Transport format allows a minor discount for the mech formation.

Slow firing in this manner dose allow 1-1 or 2-0.

No scouts currently perhaps counts as sentinels for light robots?

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I like the more differentiated pricing to better reflect actual battlefield value of the different Ordinati.

I don't like the limited choices in Titans and Ordinati weapons; I always found that to be part of the charm of the AMTL/AdMech lists, that they could mix and match their weapon configurations.

What happened to Titan Plasma Cannons? There are (reasonably common) plastics for it. And what about the Support Missiles? Or is it only the AdMech that has fixed Titan configurations?

Mobile Skitarii as a core formation is a good idea.

Needs something that fills the role of scouts, to allow screening the ordinati against deep strikes.

I like Praetorians and light artillery as Support, but I don't like that you have to buy them in batches of 5. Give a little flexibility here. Same goes for Forge Knights and Sagitarii.

E&C, I'm interested in your reasons for starting this list and Legio Destructor. You gave up the AdMech ACship for reasons of time, which I completely understand. However, of the two lists you gave up developing, you now have competing lists for both. You have stated the ATML list is "unbalancable" and the Skitarii list is "a complete mess". Where were these concerns during your tenure as AC? I'm truly not trying to be confrontational, but both these cropped up as you left, and I'd not heard anything about them beforehand.

Did you feel unable to address them? Is it your opinion that community development has failed these lists, and if so, how? It seems that you have a direction you want these lists to take, but feel that you must create what are essentially fanlists in order to take it. Why is this? What can you do with these fanlists that yoiu could not as an AC?

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I started the legio destructor list whilst still AC and was quite clear about the reasons. I have said for years in different ways that I feel thd war gryphonnes list is bloated.


I blame myself for the skitarii list's failure.
Early on I had no real plan for the list, no core theme, and so loads of ideas got chucked at it almost without censorship from me. Some of those ideas were my own, and others I just thought were cool suggestions.

- SHT's (4 units)
- Russes (3 units)
- modular ordinati (23 units)
- ordinati minori (20 units)
- CLP ordinati (more units by way of multiple modified ordinati including Ordinatus mars(!), with broken pricing)
- allow total freedom in Titan configs (thousands more units)
- Artillery companies (2 more units)
- gorgons (2 more units)
- more besides

It was a mess, it was my fault. I got some of the units back out against huge resistance, but honestly, the current list has no strong core theme precisely because of my failings when I created the list.



For the Legio destructor, I wrote it because I don't wxnt to be putting what I regard as a flawed list in a supplement (at least not as the primary starring list). Call it foolish pride if you like but I don't like spending a thousand hours writing a supplement only to then gimp it by including inferior army lists.

I doubt I'll need to develop my proposal for what to do with the skitarii list any further. I'm sure Vaiish is capable of providing me with a non-messeriffic skitarii (and maybe skitarii armoured) list for the supplement.

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Okay. I was really probing to see if there were any changes you'd suggest to the NetEA process, or if there were other reasons. Thanks for taking the time to respond in full.

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AMTL lists would remain unaffected. Limited modular configs would be restricted to Skitarii).


Flexibility is the enemy of balance
I went for fives to enhance the AdMech decimal obsession; a flavour thing only.

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