@dave - I've had a small test game with the latest list. Nothing amazing, main points of note were a pala unit being caught in a crossfire between advancing land speeders and the whirlwinds - suddenly all they had was one 6+ save - trust me, that hurt! Felt fair though, my all knight list has been beating the hell out of the space marines i've been playing. This particular game I managed 5-0 turn 4
Other main things - other unit of palas got air assaulted by 8 ass marines + 2 chaplains and their thunderhawk, we fought two rounds of combat, to the mutual destruction of everybody except 1 ass marine stand
The lancers + Baron started on the flank against vindicators and annihilators - they dominated it with absolutely no trouble. I'm gonna play orks next week, against someone who I know is no pushover, so I'm going to watch carefully, but in this game at least, the unit felt crazy overpowered. I'll try it against many different flavours of foe, see how it does.
But the main thing I wanted to say was that I've discovered a major ''issue' (IMO) with the list. reason being in this 2.1 list, you gave lancers both scout AND power lances, for no points increase. That was great and works fine, plenty more testing needed, but you gave the Baron a shock lance and yet bumped him up +25 pts. Nothing incredible in and of itself, BUT by doing so you created a situation whereas the armys SC is ALWAYS the SECOND MOST expensive unit in the entire list. (3 knights of any flavour + Baron = 500 pts) Not necessarily a problem, BUT it falls down when you realise that the ONLY way possible then to NOT have your SC as your BTS is to take the army lists MOST expensive unit (6 knights of any flavour = 600 pts). That means that in order to have both an SC and NOT make it your BTS unit, you HAVE to spend 1100 pts on just 2 activations!
Before you bumped up his points, and he was +175, there were many ways to not have him as the BTS unit, as you could take a 5 strong knight unit of any flavour (even knights warden) and they would then be the BTS. As the cheapest example, 3 knights pala + Baron = 475 pts, 5 knights warden = 480 pts. Thats only 955 pts spent on 2 activations to ensure the SC isn't the BTS. That seemed like a fair deal to me, plenty of ways to help avoid ppl sniping your SC unit first chance they got. As it stands now though, In order to not have my SC as my BTS, I'm effectively having to pay +145 points than I used to to not let that happen, all because of a +25 point increase on the Baron.
Was this intentional? It feels not 0.o
