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Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists

 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:26 pm 
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No worries! Had not even considered Self Planetfall to begin with... But I've heard more than once that people like the 0-2 limit on drops from the small spaceship. I think it should be really hard to have a Tyranid list that can drop all at once, as that could easily get out of hand, but as part of a turn 2 or 3 Drop/Tunneler/Teleport surprise it's pretty fun.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:48 pm 
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The things I'd like to playtest first with this list is a list heavy on War Engines, as that has the potential of being very powerful. Am thinking about something like this:

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Hive Fleet Dagon (4.61 TCMD forum)

NEXUS SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [650]
Dagon Dominatrix, 2 Hierodule (1 Barbed Hierodule)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225]
3 Zoanthrope, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles), Biovores (4 Biovores)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225]
3 Zoanthrope, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles), Biovores (4 Biovores)

ATTACK SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [275]
Barbed Hierodule Prime, Hierodule (1 Scythed Hierodule)

ATTACK SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [275]
Barbed Hierodule Prime, Hierodule (1 Scythed Hierodule)

INFESTATION SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Trygon Prime, Burrower (2 Trygons)

BIO-TITAN [350]
Dagon Hierophant

BIO-TITAN [550]
Hydraphant

GENESTEALER SWARM [200]
7 Genestealers, Broodlord

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:57 pm 
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And here's another pretty extreme one I'd like to try, going all out on Hive Nests and Lictors. Biovores become a lot more viable when you can get them into the battlefield like this, and it's possible to create massive AA screens with the Gargoyles. Having 4 formations of Lictors could really get nasty as well, especially against a low-strat opponent.

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Hive Fleet Dagon (4.61 TCMD forum)
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MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [400]
3 Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), Dagon Overlord, Carnifex (3 Carnifex)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225]
3 Zoanthrope, Biovores (4 Biovores), Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225]
Tyranid Warriors, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Attack (2 Malefactors)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
3 Tyranid Warrior Shrikes (Wings), Bio-Bomber (2 Harpies), Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Hive Nest, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles), Biovores (4 Biovores)

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Hive Nest, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles), Biovores (4 Biovores)

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Hive Nest, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles), Biovores (4 Biovores)

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [250]
Hive Nest, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles), Biovores (4 Biovores)

LICTOR SWARM [225]
5 Dagon Lictors

LICTOR SWARM [225]
5 Dagon Lictors

LICTOR SWARM [225]
5 Dagon Lictors

LICTOR SWARM [225]
5 Dagon Lictors

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:09 pm 
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Yeah the WE list please post a BatRep for. I'm very skeptical of the lictor heavy list though. They are an unreliable glass cannon. Do the math on the formation of 5:

TP = 1 BM statistically
They will be going second.
1-2 kills requiring only 3 hits. Easy for most even moderatly shooty formations since the lictors are LVs.
Defending against it i would move out two of the formations threatened out of CC range (if possible depending on objective range) and shoot breaking two formations. Reasonble chance one of them will fail to activate and have to do a hold action. So after your spam TP only one formation will actually get to assault and your opponent if they are smart will set up for supporting fire on them when the move and shoot the other 2-3 (eldar triple retain) lictor formations down. The broken lictors will never rally either needing 6's. The list only has 4 non immobile formations on the board pre TP so unless you are spammjng them in first turn you will be badly out activated. If they do come first turn they will all be destroyed for little consequence. No point in taking more than 2 nest formations as you can only garrison 2 of them. I dont mean to be rude but I think that list will disapoint 19 times out of 20.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:17 pm 
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We'll see how well it works, but even if the Tyranids don't go first they'll be quite likely to get to use at least 2 of the Lictors. How nasty that is really depends on the match-up of course.

And the rules actually state that you can garrison as many formations as you like, but you can only put 2 on Overwatch, which isn't really a problem in this case.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:18 pm 
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Having 2 Nest Swarms on each forward objective could be powerful, as they're 4++, Fearless and Thick Rear Armour. Not something you get rid of in a hurry.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:30 pm 
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Opps yes sorry only 2 on OW my mistake.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:46 pm 
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First game with 4.61 played. 5 more to go!

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:06 pm 
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This might be a more competitive version of the list I just played. Might take it next time:

WE List MkII, 3000 POINTS
Hive Fleet Dagon (4.61 TCMD forum)
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NEXUS SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [650]
Dagon Dominatrix, 2 Hierodule (1 Barbed Hierodule)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225]
3 Zoanthrope, Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), Biovores (4 Biovores)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [225]
Gaunts (4 Termagaunts), 3 Zoanthrope, Biovores (4 Biovores)

BIO-TITAN [550]
Hydraphant

BIO-TITAN [350]
Dagon Hierophant

GENESTEALER SWARM [200]
7 Genestealers, Broodlord

GENESTEALER SWARM [200]
7 Genestealers, Broodlord

GENESTEALER SWARM [200]
7 Genestealers, Broodlord

HARASSER SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
Harridan, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

HARASSER SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
Harridan, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:17 am 
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Clarification question with planetfalling spores. The rule says: "After all Mycetic Spores have made planetfall, they attack any enemy formations within 15cm. "

Does this mean
1. Every unit with in 15cm takes a hit on a 6+
2. Each formation with in 15cm takes one hit on a 6+
3. Every unit in each formation that has at least one unit with in 15cm of the spore takes a hit on a 6+.

I assume its supposed to mimic a drop pod. Drop pod rule: "After the drop pod lands, its Deathwind attacks all enemy units within 15cm. Each enemy formation attacked receives a Blast marker for coming under fire, and an extra Blast marker for each casualty."

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.61 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:52 pm 
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Thanks for spotting the error. It's sloppy wording on my part, mixing up "formation" and "unit". The intention is of course that the Mycetic Spore should work like a Drop Pod.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.62 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:05 am 
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Updated the main file with the correct rules for the Mycetic Spores

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.7 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:09 pm 
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Did some fairly big changes to the list and bumped it to 4.7, which is now the new approval candidate version. This of course means we got to re-start the playtests, but I'd rather do major changes now rather than wait.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.7 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:46 pm 
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Might be testing this list next time:

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Hive Fleet Dagon (4.7 TCMD forum)
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MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [325]
Hive Tyrant, 2 Tyranid Warriors, 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Attack (2 Dagon Malefactors), Bio-Attack (2 Dagon Haruspex)

MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [425]
2 Tyranid Warriors, Dagon Overlord, 2 Zoanthrope, Bio-Attack (2 Dagon Haruspex), Bio-Attack (2 Dagon Malefactors)

MAJOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [325]
Hive Tyrant Shrike (Wings), 4 Tyranid Warrior Shrikes (Wings), Bio-Bomber (2 Harpies), Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), 3 Zoanthrope, Mycetic Spore // May transport Termagaunts, Hormagaunts, Biovores, Carnifex, Raveners, Hive Tyrants, Dagon Overlord, Tyranid Warriors, Zoanthropes // Transported units may not have Wings

MINOR SWARM (2-4 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
Gaunts (5 Termagaunts), Mycetic Spore // May transport Termagaunts, Hormagaunts, Biovores, Carnifex, Raveners, Hive Tyrants, Dagon Overlord, Tyranid Warriors, Zoanthropes // Transported units may not have Wings, 3 Zoanthrope

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [300]
Hive Nest, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles), Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)

HIVE SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [300]
Hive Nest, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles), Bio-Support (3 Dagon Dactylis)

BIO-VESSEL [150]
Razorfiend (May carry 2 Mycetic Spores including cargo)

INFESTATION SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
3 Ravener Alphas, Burrower (5 Raveners)

INFESTATION SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
3 Ravener Alphas, Burrower (5 Raveners)

HARASSER SWARM (1-2 INSTINCTIVE SWARMS) [200]
Harridan, Gargoyles (4 Dagon Gargoyles)

GENESTEALER SWARM [175]
6 Genestealers, Broodlord

The idea is to use the mini-swarms in the first turn to basically soften up the opponent's deployment zone with blast markers, and then hope the fearless Zoanthropes stick around for whatever happens next. The Hive Nests will bombard from the objectives, while the rest of the list moves up and prepares for turn 2. The Raveners got a really good charge range, so they might be able to pop up in turn 2 and threaten a really big area.

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 Post subject: Re: Hive Fleet Dagon v4.71 and original F-ERC lists
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:42 am 
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Did some proofreading and discovered too many errors to be ignored. New version up with corrections of those.

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