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 Post subject: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:37 pm 
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Updated for most recent version of the formula (V0.46)
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Model or Formation name _ V0.46 Cost _ vs 0.43 _ vs Gold

__ Chaos Marine models
Chaos Champion: ______ 102.2 ____ -25.73 ___ +2.2
Chaos Marine: _________ 31.2 _____ -4.05 ___ -8.8
Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 40.56 ____ -5.265 __ -9.44
Chaos Terminator: _____ 56.03 ____ -8.775 _ +11.03
Chaos Terminator HQ: _ 106.96 ___ -25.73 __ +61.96
Forward Observer: _____ 44.64 _____ 0 _____ -55.36
Havok: ________________ 37.8 _____ -0.9 ___ -22.2
Raptor Marine: ________ 22.8 _____ -6.975 _ -17.2

Drop Pod Assault: _________ 64.26 ____ 0 ____ +64.26
Drop Pod Support: _________ 79.38 ____ 0 ____ +79.38
Drop Pod Deathwind: _______ 76.86 ____ 0 ____ +76.86

Chaos Marine Bike: __________ 28.14 __ -14.4 ___ -1.86
Chaos Marine Bike, Command: _ 66.745 _ -28 ____ +36.75
Land Speeder: _______________ 55.74 ___ -6.06 _ +15.74

Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 26.4 __ 0 ___ -11.1
Dreadnought Contemptor: _ 30 ___ -4.8 __ +5
Dreadnought Deredeo: ____ 32.4 _ -2.4 __ +7.4
Dreadnought Furibundus: _ 33 ____ 0 ____ +8

Chaos Land Raider: __________ 76.066 __ -6.825 _ -8.934
Chaos Land Raider, Command _ 126.02 __ -11.55 _ +41.02
Defiler: ____________________ 97.2 ____ -7.2 __ +32.2
Hunter Anti-Aircraft: _______ 53.7 _____ 0 _____ +3.7
Predator: ___________________ 53.7 _____ 0 ____ -11.3
Rhino: ______________________ 34.365 ___ 0 ____ +19.37
Rhino, Scout Command: _______ 88.851 ___ 0 ____ +73.85
Vindicator: _________________ 51.6 _____ 0 _____ +1.6

Mole Mortar: _ 55.028 ___ -0.9 ___ +20.028
Rapier: ______ 25.8 _____ +2.7 ____ +0.8
Tarantula: ___ 64.75 ____ -1.05 __ +34.75
Thudd Gun: ___ 17.303 ___ -0.9 ___ -17.7

Whirlwind: _ 44.67 __ 0 __ -20.33

Dreadclaw: _ 184.43 ___ -49.88 _ +84.43

Warhound hull: __ 293.57 _ -51.52 __ +168.6
Reaver hull: ____ 331.49 _ -48.3 ____ +31.49
Warlord hull: ___ 407.53 _ -36.84 ___ -92.47


__ Chaos Marine Formations
_ Company
Chaos Marine Company: _ 445 __ -71 __ -155
Havok Company: ________ 518 __ -36 __ -282
Bike Company: _________ 376 _ -187 ___ -74
Land Raider Company: __ 582 __ -53 __ -168
Terminator Company: __ 1052 _ -142 ___ +52

_ Special
Chaos Champion: ___ 102 __ -26 ____ +2
Drop Pods: ________ 738 ____ 0 __ +438
Forward Observer: __ 62 ____ 0 ___ -38
Warhound hull: ____ 294 __ -51 __ +169
2x Warhound hulls _ 587 _ -101 __ +587
Reaver hull: ______ 331 __ -49 ___ +31
Warlord hull: _____ 408 __ -33 ___ -92

_ Support
Chaos Marine Warband: ______ 119 __ -15 ___ -81
Chaos Marine Veterans: _____ 154 __ -20 ___ -96
Chaos Terminator Warband: __ 282 __ -37 ___ -68
Havok Warband: _____________ 144 ___ -3 __ -156
Raptor Warband: ____________ 87 __ -26 __ -113
Chaos Dreadnought: __________ 79 ____ 0 ___ -71
Mutilator Dreadnought: ______ 94 __ -10 ____ -6
Destroyer Dreadnought: ______ 98 ___ -4 ____ -2
CSM Bike Warband: __________ 107 __ -55 ___ -43
Landspeeder: _______________ 212 __ -23 ___ +12
Hunter AA Battery: _________ 125 ____ 0 ___ -25
Chaos Land Raider Warband: _ 164 __ -15 ___ -86
Defilers: __________________ 227 __ -17 ___ +27
Rhino: ______________________ 67 __ -13 ___ +17
Predator: __________________ 125 ____ 0 ___ -75
Vindicator: ________________ 120 ____ 0 ___ -30
Mole Mortar: _______________ 128 ___ -2 ___ +28
Rapier Battery: _____________ 60 ___ +6 ___ -15
Tarantula Battery: _________ 246 ___ -4 ___ +96
Thudd Gun Battery: __________ 40 ___ -2 ___ -60
Whirlwind Battery: _________ 104 ____ 0 ___ -96
Dreadclaw Shuttle: _________ 184 __ -50 ___ +84

_ Black Legion
BL Century ______ 445 ___ -71 __ -155
Battle Century __ 439 ___ -70 __ -211
Assault Century _ 442 ___ -59 __ -258

Obliterator Squad _ 106 __ -3 __ -294


Sample Army ___________ v046 __ 043 ___ Gold
---Black Legion (pdf pg9)
Black Legion Century __ 445 __ 501 __ 600
-Su Obliterators ______ 106 __ 109 __ 400
Black Legion Century __ 445 __ 501 __ 600
-Su Rhino ______________ 67 ___ 80 ___ 50
-Su Rhino ______________ 67 ___ 80 ___ 50
-Su Rhino ______________ 67 ___ 80 ___ 50
-Su Land Raider _______ 164 __ 179 __ 250
Black Legion Century __ 445 __ 501 __ 600
-Su C.Dreadnought ______ 79 ___ 79 __ 150
-Su CSM.Bike __________ 107 __ 162 __ 150
-Su C.M.Dreadclaw _____ 184 __ 234 __ 100
--- Totals ___________ 2205 _ 2506 _ 3000


_ Iron Warriors
_ _ Model cost (added or changed)
Chaos Champion ______ 112.42 __ -28.3 ___ +12.42
Chaos Marine _________ 34.32 ___ -4.455 __ -5.68
Chaos Marine Veteran _ 44.616 __ -5.792 __ -5.384
Chaos Terminator _____ 61.633 __ -9.653 _ +16.63
Chaos Terminator HQ _ 117.66 __ -28.3 ___ +72.66
Forward Observer _____ 49.104 ___ 0 _____ -50.896
Warsmith _____________ 52.36 ___ -1.155 _ -47.64
Iron Dreadnought ____ 104.98 ____ 0 _____ +44.98
Basilisk ____________ 148.32 ____ 0 _____ +83.32
Bombard _____________ 209.4 _____ 0 ____ +144.4
Leviathan ___________ 752.61 ___ -9.66 _ +402.61
Hellbore ____________ 500.41 __ -59.17 _ +100.41

_ Formations (added or changed)
_ _ Company
IW Century ___________ 490 ___ -77 __ -110
IW Century Hellbore __ 990 __ -137 __ +990
Havok Company ________ 528 ___ -26 __ -272
IW Siege Century _____ 776 ___ -19 ___ -24
Chaos Terminator ____ 1110 __ -153 __ +263
C.Terminator Hellbore 1159 __ -172 _ +1159 (replace Land Raiders with a Hellbore)
IW Vindicator ________ 440 ____ -1 ___ -60

_ _ Special
Chaos Champion __ 112 __ -29 ___ +12
Forward Observer _ 67 ____ 0 ___ -33
Warsmith _________ 65 ___ -1 ___ -35
Leviathan _______ 753 ___ -9 __ +403

_ _ Support
Chaos Marine _________ 130 __ -17 ___ -70
Chaos Marine Veteran _ 170 __ -22 ___ -80
Chaos Terminator _____ 299 __ -39 ___ -51
Iron Dreadnoughts ____ 399 ____ 0 ___ +99
Basilisk _____________ 346 ____ 0 __ +146
Bombard ______________ 489 ____ 0 __ +289

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:31 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:24 am 
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Made a couple of calculation errors here as well.

Vindicator: 64 (+18); Support: 155 (+45)
Mole Mortar: 31.5 (+20.35); Support: 75 (+50)
Thudd Gun: 27 (+18); Support: 65 (+45)
Whirlwind: 56 (+18); Support: 135 (+45)

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list
PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:07 am 
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Note that the Rapier suffers the same problem here as with the normal Space Marines. I have not yet instituted a minimum cost as seeing just how many models are affected could be useful information.

__ Values for Plan: ____ A _____ B _____ C _____ D _____ E _____ F
_ Chaos Marine models
Chaos Champion: ______ 113 ____ 99.5 _ 113 ____ 99.5 _ 134 ___ 120.5
Chaos Marine: _________ 44 ____ 35 ____ 44 ____ 35 ____ 48.5 __ 39.5
Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 64 ____ 55 ____ 64 ____ 55 ____ 68.5 __ 59.5
Chaos Terminator: _____ 78.8 __ 66.2 __ 78.8 __ 66.2 __ 87.8 __ 75.2
Chaos Terminator HQ: _ 119.2 _ 100.3 _ 119.2 _ 100.3 _ 140.2 _ 121.3
Forward Observer: _____ 52 ____ 50.5 __ 52 ____ 50.5 __ 52 ____ 50.5
Havok: ________________ 42 ____ 24 ____ 42 ____ 24 ____ 43 ____ 25
Raptor: _______________ 31.5 __ 30 ____ 31.5 __ 30 ____ 39 ____ 37.5

Drop Pod – Assault: ___ 24 ___ 24 ____ 24 ____ 24 ____ 24 ___ 24
Drop Pod – Support: ___ 43 ___ 22.75 _ 43 ____ 22.75 _ 43 ___ 22.75
Drop Pod – Deathwind: _ 17.5 _ 17.5 __ 16.75 _ 16.75 _ 17.5 _ 16.75

Chaos Marine Bike: __________ 24.6 _ 24.15 _ 24.6 _ 24.15 _ 32.6 _ 32.15
Chaos Marine Bike, Command: _ 46.9 _ 46.23 _ 46.9 _ 46.23 _ 56.9 _ 56.23
Land Speeder: _______________ 52 ___ 43 ____ 52 ___ 43 ____ 67 ___ 58

Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 28 _ 22 ___ 28 _ 22 ___ 28 _ 22
Dreadnought Contemptor: _ 34 _ 31 ___ 34 _ 31 ___ 38 _ 35
Dreadnought Deredeo: ____ 34 _ 25 ___ 34 _ 25 ___ 36 _ 27
Dreadnought Furibundus: _ 32 _ 18.5 _ 32 _ 18.5 _ 32 _ 18.5

Chaos Land Raider: ___________ 84.03 _ 55.51 __ 84.03 _ 55.51 __ 90.03 _ 61.51
Chaos Land Raider, Command: _ 115.5 __ 73.51 _ 115.5 __ 73.51 _ 124.5 __ 82.51
Defiler: ____________________ 135 ____ 81 ____ 135 ____ 81 ____ 159 ___ 105
Hunter Anti-Aircraft: ________ 70 ____ 34 _____ 70 ____ 34 _____ 70 ____ 34
Predator: ____________________ 68 ____ 36.5 ___ 68 ____ 36.5 ___ 68 ____ 36.5
Rhino: _______________________ 31.03 _ 29.51 __ 31.03 _ 29.51 __ 31.03 _ 29.51
Rhino, Scout Command: ________ 56.03 _ 54.51 __ 56.03 _ 54.51 __ 56.03 _ 54.51
Vindicator: __________________ 64 ____ 37 _____ 64 ____ 37 _____ 64 ____ 37

Mole Mortar: _ 31.5 _ 31.5 _ 11.25 _ 11.25 _ 31.5 _ 11.25
Rapier: ______ 18 ____ 0 ___ 18 _____ 0 ____ 15 ___ -3
Tarantula: ___ 50 ____ 9.5 _ 50 _____ 9.5 __ 50 ____ 9.5
Thudd Gun: ___ 27 ___ 27 ____ 9 _____ 9 ____ 27 ____ 9

Whirlwind: _ 56 _ 56 _ 38 _ 38 _ 56 _ 38

Dreadclaw: _ 209 _ 182 _ 209 _ 182 _ 269 _ 242

Warhound: _ 383 _ 383 _ 383 _ 383 _ 543 _ 543
Reaver: ___ 414 _ 414 _ 414 _ 414 _ 630 _ 630
Warlord: __ 457 _ 457 _ 457 _ 457 _ 695 _ 695

_ Chaos Marine Formations (default BP 100%)
_ Company
Chaos Marine Company: _ 430 _ 345 _ 430 _ 345 __ 475 _ 395
Havok Company: ________ 410 _ 255 _ 410 _ 255 __ 435 _ 280
Bike Company: _________ 230 _ 225 _ 230 _ 225 __ 300 _ 295
Land Raider Company: __ 370 _ 240 _ 370 _ 240 __ 395 _ 270
Terminator Company: ___ 995 _ 770 _ 995 _ 770 _ 1100 _ 870

_Special
Chaos Champion: __ 125 _ 110 _ 125 _ 110 _ 150 _ 135
Drop Pods: _______ 210 _ 175 _ 210 _ 175 _ 210 _ 175
Forward Observer: _ 65 __ 65 __ 65 __ 65 __ 65 __ 65
Warhound Titan: __ 430 _ 430 _ 430 _ 430 _ 610 _ 610
Reaver Titan: ____ 465 _ 465 _ 465 _ 465 _ 705 _ 705
Warlord Titan: ___ 510 _ 510 _ 510 _ 510 _ 780 _ 780

_ Support
CSM Warband: _______________ 160 _ 125 _ 160 _ 125 _ 175 _ 140
CSM Veteran Warband: _______ 250 _ 215 _ 250 _ 215 _ 265 _ 230
Chaos Terminator Warband: __ 315 _ 245 _ 315 _ 245 _ 345 _ 275
Havok Warband: _____________ 150 __ 85 _ 150 __ 85 _ 155 __ 90
Raptor Warband: ____________ 115 _ 110 _ 115 _ 110 _ 140 _ 135
Chaos Dreadnought: __________ 65 __ 55 __ 65 __ 55 __ 65 __ 55
Mutilator Dreadnought: ______ 80 __ 65 __ 80 __ 65 __ 85 __ 70
Destroyer Dreadnought: ______ 80 __ 50 __ 80 __ 50 __ 80 __ 55
CSM Bike Warband: ___________ 90 __ 85 __ 90 __ 85 _ 115 _ 115
Landspeeder: _______________ 185 _ 155 _ 185 _ 155 _ 240 _ 210
Hunter AA Battery: _________ 170 __ 80 _ 170 __ 80 _ 170 __ 80
Chaos Land Raider Warband: _ 220 _ 145 _ 220 _ 145 _ 235 _ 160
Defilers: __________________ 325 _ 195 _ 325 _ 195 _ 380 _ 250
Rhino: ______________________ 75 __ 70 __ 75 __ 70 __ 75 __ 70
Predator: __________________ 165 __ 90 _ 165 __ 90 _ 165 __ 90
Vindicator: ________________ 155 __ 90 _ 155 __ 90 _ 155 __ 90
Mole Mortar: ________________ 75 __ 75 __ 25 __ 25 __ 75 __ 25
Rapier Battery: _____________ 45 ___ 0 __ 45 ___ 0 __ 35 __ -5
Tarantula Battery: _________ 210 __ 40 _ 210 __ 40 _ 210 __ 40
Thudd Gun Battery: __________ 65 __ 65 __ 20 __ 20 __ 65 __ 20
Whirlwind Battery: _________ 135 _ 135 __ 90 __ 90 _ 135 __ 90
Dreadclaw Shuttle: _________ 250 _ 220 _ 250 _ 220 _ 325 _ 290

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:57 pm 
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Missed the errata to the Marine Bikers.

__ Chaos Marine models
Chaos Champion: ______ 120.5
Chaos Marine: _________ 39.5
Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 59.5
Chaos Terminator: _____ 75.2
Chaos Terminator HQ: _ 121.3
Forward Observer: _____ 50.5
Havok: ________________ 25
Raptor: _______________ 37.5

Drop Pod – Assault: ___ 43.5
Drop Pod – Support: ___ 42.75
Drop Pod – Deathwind: _ 36.75

Chaos Marine Bike: __________ 40.15
Chaos Marine Bike, Command: _ 74.23
Land Speeder: _______________ 58

Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 22
Dreadnought Contemptor: _ 35
Dreadnought Deredeo: ____ 27
Dreadnought Furibundus: _ 18.5

Chaos Land Raider: ___________ 61.01 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Chaos Land Raider, Command: __ 92.01 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Defiler: ____________________ 105
Hunter Anti-Aircraft: ________ 34
Predator: ____________________ 36.5
Rhino: _______________________ 29.38 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Rhino, Scout Command: ________ 74.88 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Vindicator: __________________ 37

Mole Mortar: _ 11.25
Rapier: ______ -3
Tarantula: ____ 9.5
Thudd Gun: ____ 9

Whirlwind: _ 38

Dreadclaw: _ 238.3 [Transport 6: Inf 1/1 or W 2/3 or LA 1/2]

Warhound: _ 543
Reaver: ___ 630
Warlord: __ 695

__ Chaos Marine Formations
_ Company
Chaos Marine Company: _ 395
Havok Company: ________ 280
Bike Company: _________ 370
Land Raider Company: __ 270
Terminator Company: ___ 875

_Special
Chaos Champion: __ 135
Drop Pods: _______ 325
Forward Observer: _ 70
Warhound Titan: __ 610
Reaver Titan: ____ 705
Warlord Titan: ___ 780

_ Support
CSM Warband: _______________ 140
CSM Veteran Warband: _______ 230
Chaos Terminator Warband: __ 275
Havok Warband: ______________ 90
Raptor Warband: ____________ 135
Chaos Dreadnought: __________ 55
Mutilator Dreadnought: ______ 70
Destroyer Dreadnought: ______ 55
CSM Bike Warband: __________ 145
Landspeeder: _______________ 210
Hunter AA Battery: __________ 80
Chaos Land Raider Warband: _ 160
Defilers: __________________ 250
Rhino: ______________________ 70
Predator: ___________________ 90
Vindicator: _________________ 90
Mole Mortar: ________________ 25
Rapier Battery: ______________ 0
Tarantula Battery: __________ 40
Thudd Gun Battery: __________ 20
Whirlwind Battery: __________ 90
Dreadclaw Shuttle: _________ 285

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:28 am 
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Updated for tweak2. Rapier fixed here as well. No surprise there.

__ Chaos Marine models
Chaos Champion: ______ 121
Chaos Marine: _________ 40.5
Chaos Marine Veteran: _ 60.5
Chaos Terminator: _____ 74.4
Chaos Terminator HQ: _ 122.6
Forward Observer: _____ 50
Havok: ________________ 29
Raptor: _______________ 37

Drop Pod – Assault: ___ 40.5
Drop Pod – Support: ___ 46.5
Drop Pod – Deathwind: _ 34.13

Chaos Marine Bike: __________ 39.3
Chaos Marine Bike, Command: _ 73.45
Land Speeder: _______________ 60

Chaos Dreadnought: ______ 22
Dreadnought Contemptor: _ 34
Dreadnought Deredeo: ____ 28
Dreadnought Furibundus: _ 21

Chaos Land Raider: ___________ 65.51 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Chaos Land Raider, Command: _ 101 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Defiler: ____________________ 117
Hunter Anti-Aircraft: ________ 43
Predator: ____________________ 43
Rhino: _______________________ 26.89 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Rhino, Scout Command: ________ 72.39 [Transport 2: Inf 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
Vindicator: __________________ 41

Mole Mortar: _ 21.38
Rapier: _______ 3
Tarantula: ___ 23
Thudd Gun: ___ 18

Whirlwind: _ 44

Dreadclaw: _ 243.3 [Transport 6: Inf 1/1 or W 2/3 or LA 1/2]

Warhound: _ 516.5
Reaver: ___ 577.8
Warlord: __ 638.3

__ Chaos Marine Formations
_ Company
Chaos Marine Company: _ 404
Havok Company: ________ 311
Bike Company: _________ 365
Land Raider Company: __ 294
Terminator Company: ___ 893

_Special
Chaos Champion: __ 136
Drop Pods: _______ 317
Forward Observer: _ 68
Warhound Titan: __ 578
Reaver Titan: ____ 647
Warlord Titan: ___ 715

_ Support
CSM Warband: _______________ 146
CSM Veteran Warband: _______ 236
Chaos Terminator Warband: __ 279
Havok Warband: _____________ 104
Raptor Warband: ____________ 133
Chaos Dreadnought: __________ 53
Mutilator Dreadnought: ______ 70
Destroyer Dreadnought: ______ 59
CSM Bike Warband: __________ 141
Landspeeder: _______________ 216
Hunter AA Battery: _________ 103
Chaos Land Raider Warband: _ 170
Defilers: __________________ 280
Rhino: ______________________ 65
Predator: __________________ 103
Vindicator: _________________ 98
Mole Mortar: ________________ 51
Rapier Battery: ______________ 6
Tarantula Battery: __________ 97
Thudd Gun Battery: __________ 43
Whirlwind Battery: _________ 106
Dreadclaw Shuttle: _________ 292

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list
PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 1:02 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list
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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list
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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Chaos Marines list
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:03 pm 
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Another list that has no values that stand out.

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