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 Post subject: Points formula values for PDF
PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 8:25 pm 
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Updated for current version of the formula (V0.46):
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Model or Formation name _ V0.46 Cost _ vs 0.43 _ vs Gold

Planetary Defense Forces:

Colonel __________ 101.5 ____ -7.35 _ +51.5
Commisar __________ 52.2 ___ -14.7 ___ +2.5
Commisar, Horse ___ 69.3 ___ -25.2 __ +19.3
Forward Observer __ 42.336 ___ 0 _____ -7.664
Grey Knights _____ 104.46 ___ -9.48 __ +4.46
Hive Gang Boss ____ 88.704 _ -10.58 _ +58.704
Inquisitor _______ 199.29 __ -22.05 _ +99.29
Inquisitor Horse _ 220.29 __ -37.8 _ +120.29
Major _____________ 64.4 ____ -3.68 _ +64.4
OM Inquisitor ____ 117.95 __ -22.05 _ -32.05
OM Inquisitor, H _ 138.95 __ -37.8 __ -11.05
Sanctioned Psyker _ 37.265 ___ 0 ____ -37.735
Snctnd Psyker, H __ 41.675 ___ 0 ____ -33.325
Sectional HQ _ M5 _ +8.1 _____ 0 _____ +8.1
Sectional HQ _ M4 _ +9 _______ 0 _____ +9
Sectional HQ _ M3 _ +9.9 _____ 0 _____ +9.9
Company HQ varies
_Tactical CHQ _____ 37.1 _____ 0 ____ +17.1
_Rough Rider CHQ __ 49.175 _ -12.6 __ +34.175
_Ragnarok CHQ ____ 118.69 ___ -7.35 _ +18.685
_Sabre CHQ ________ 83.65 ____ 0 ____ +48.65
Assault ___________ 11.34 ___ -1.468 _ -8.66
Beastmen ___________ 9.9 ____ -2.03 _ -10.1
Cyborg Berserker __ 15.795 __ -3.51 _ -14.205
Heavy _____________ 19.845 ___ 0 ____ -20.155
Hive Ganger _______ 24.624 __ -0.972 _ -5.376
Human Bomb ________ 23.478 ___ 0 _____ +3.478
Militia ____________ 6.156 __ +0.608 _ -3.844
Penal Trooper ______ 9.405 ___ 0 ____ -20.595
Rocket _____________ 9.558 __ +0.608_ -10.442
Tactical _____ M5 __ 7.695 ___ 0 ____ -12.305
Tactical _____ M4 __ 8.55 ____ 0 ____ -11.45
Tactical _____ M3 __ 9.405 ___ 0 ____ -10.595
Tactical _____ M2 _ 10.26 ____ 0 _____ -9.74
Warrior ____________ 6.683 __ -0.608 _ -3.3175
Rough Riders ______ 13.4 ____ -4.8 ___ -6.6
Imperial Bikes ____ 14.94 ___ -6.4 __ -10.06
Robot _____________ 52.5 _____ 0 ____ +27.5
Sentinel __________ 19.035 __ -4.86 _ -10.965
Artillery Tractor _ 16.21 ____ 0 _____ +8.71013
Chimera ______ M3 _ 28.463 __ -1.733 _ -6.5375
Chimera ______ M2 _ 31.05 ___ -1.89 __ -3.95
Leman Russ ________ 39.285 __ -2.835_ -45.7049
Ragnarok __________ 52.92 ___ -2.025_ -47.08
Recon Vehicle _____ 16.605 __ -3.038 _ -3.395
Recon Vehicle Heavy 20.858 __ -3.038 _ +0.8575
Rhino, Command ____ 74.043 ___ 0 ____ +74.0425
Rhino, Cm Stealth _ 91.838 ___ 0 ____ +91.8383
Sabre _____________ 27.743 ___ 0 _____ -7.2575
Salamander ________ 17.942 _ -17.09 _ -17.0585
Vindicator ________ 34.83 ____ 0 ____ -15.17
Zulu AA Gun _______ 11.13 ___ -3.038 _ -8.8625
Infantry Gun _______ 6.075 __ -0.608 _ -6.425
Mole Mortar _______ 37.144 __ -0.608 _ +2.14407
Rapier ____________ 17.415 __ +1.823 _ -7.585
Tarantula _________ 64.75 ___ -1.05 _ +34.75
Thudd Gun _________ 12.287 __ +1.23 _ -22.7133
Basilisk _________ 100.12 ____ 0 ____ +35.116
Earthshaker _______ 85.131 __ +3.038_ +35.131
Manticore _________ 55.829 ___ 0 _____ -9.17075
Whirlwind _________ 30.152 ___ 0 ____ -19.8478
Thunderbolt ______ 107.87 __ -52.88 _ +22.865
Baneblade ________ 113.18 ___ +1.8 _ -111.825
Shadowsword ______ 157.1 ____ +1.35 _ -67.905
Storm Hammer _____ 124.16 ___ +2.25_ -125.845

Planetary Defense Force Formations:

_ Company Formations:
Tactical ________ 361 _ +107 _ -239
Militia _________ 307 __ +14 ___ +7
Support _________ 323 __ +12 __ -27
Hive Gang _______ 361 _ +121 _ -239
Penal ___________ 277 ____ 0 _ -173
Beastmen ________ 391 __ -44 _ -209
Ragnarok ________ 490 __ -20 _ -260
Sabre ___________ 288 ____ 0 __ -12
Rough Rider _____ 418 _ -130 _ -182
Light Artillery _ 229 ___ -5 __ -21
Earthshaker _____ 683 __ -19 _ +233

_ Special Formations:
Cyborg Berserkers __________ 91 __ -17 __ -59
Forward Observer ____ Rh __ 148 ____ 0 __ +48
Grey Knights ______________ 313 __ -29 __ -87
Inquisitor __________ Rh __ 214 __ -22 _ +114
Inquisitor on Horse _______ 220 __ -38 _ +120
Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor Rh_ 133 __ -22 __ -17
Ordo-Malleus on Horse _____ 139 __ -38 __ -11
Sanctioned Psyker __ Rh ____ 52 ____ 0 __ -12
Sanctioned Psyker on Horse _ 42 ____ 0 __ -33
Commissar __________ Rh ____ 67 __ -15 __ +17
Commissar on Horse _________ 69 __ -26 __ +19
Battilion Command __ Ch ____ 91 ___ -5 __ -59
Regimental Command _ Ch ___ 130 ___ -9 __ -70
Baneblade _________________ 122 ___ -1 _ -103
Shadowsword _______________ 166 ___ -1 __ -69
Stormhammer _______________ 133 ___ -2 _ -117

_ Support Formations:
Assault _____ 51 ____ -6 ___ -49
Beastmen ____ 83 ___ -15 __ -117
Heavy _______ 84 _____ 0 __ -116
Hive Gang __ 102 ____ -3 ___ -48
Human Bomb _ 117 _____ 0 ___ +17
Militia _____ 54 ____ +4 ___ -46
Penal _______ 46 _____ 0 __ -104
Recon ______ 110 ___ -13 ___ -90
Rocket ______ 44 ____ +2 ___ -56
Tactical ____ 73 _____ 0 __ -127
Warrior _____ 58 ____ -5 ___ -42

Rough Rider __ 109 ___ -36 ___ -91
Imperial Bike _ 65 ___ -24 ___ -60

Robot ___ 210 _____ 0 __ +110
Sentinel _ 80 ___ -19 ___ -70

Artillery Tractor _ 46 _____ 0 ___ +21
Leman Russ _______ 100 ____ -6 __ -150
Ragnarok _________ 132 ____ -5 __ -163
Patrol [5,BP3,M5] _ 39 ____ -7 ___ +39
Sabre _____________ 73 _____ 0 ___ -27
Salamander ________ 50 ___ -40 ___ -50
Vindicator ________ 89 _____ 0 ___ -61
Zulu AA ___________ 50 ___ -12 ___ -50

Infantry Gun _ 26 ____ -2 ___ -24
Mole Mortar __ 95 ____ -1 ____ -5
Rapier _______ 49 ____ +4 ___ -26
Tarantula ___ 246 ____ -4 ___ +96
Thudd Gun ____ 35 ____ -2 ___ -65

Basilisk ____ 242 _____ 0 ___ +42
Earthshaker _ 207 ____ -7 ___ +57
Manticore ___ 138 _____ 0 ___ -62
Whirlwind ____ 79 _____ 0 ___ -71

Thunderbolt _ 260 __ -123 ___ +10


Sample Army ________ v046 __ 043 ___ Gold
---Last Ditch Effort (new)
Militia Company _____ 307 __ 293 __ 300
Support Company _____ 323 __ 311 __ 350
Penal Company _______ 277 __ 277 __ 450
Ragnarok Company ____ 490 __ 510 __ 750
Light Artillery Cm __ 229 __ 234 __ 250
Earthshaker Company _ 683 __ 702 __ 450
Composite Bunkers ___ 360 __ 360 __ 225 (see Core Rules pdf p30)
Composite Bunkers ___ 360 __ 360 __ 225
--- Totals _________ 3029 _ 3047 _ 3000
Under Gold costs, includes 6 cards of Barricades or Trenches, but not in v43 or v46.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for PDF
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:31 am 
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Not that anyone (other than me) probably cares, but I've updated the PDF for the tweak runs and Transport revision. In addition, I've put in a couple of new formations. Certain Special on Horseback to accompany a Rough Rider Company and a version of the Recon Support with no infantry. The one with infantry is renamed to "Patrol" to indicate that it is not just Recon vehicles.

I have NOT replaced any Command Rhino with Command Chimera, partly as flavor as the PDF should have to use older equipment and partly because the final cost difference is minimal at best. Use whichever you'd like. The default transports for Special Formations are shown.

The negative costs of the Infantry Gun and Rapier are affecting two Companies. Those costs will change once, or if, something is done about Light Artillery in general or those models in specific.

I am assuming in this list that Flyers (for Guard and PDF) should have Independent, and have calculated the Thunderbolt with that in mind. Also the Forward Observer.

Planetary Defense Forces:

Colonel ___________ 85.5
Commissar _________ 64.5
Commissar, Horse __ 74.5
Forward Observer __ 47
Grey Knights _____ 122.3
Hive Gang Boss ____ 93
Inquisitor _______ 174.45
Inquisitor, Horse _ 187.45
Major _____________ 51.5
OM Inquisitor ____ 121.75
OM Inquisitor, H _ 134.75
Sanctioned Psyker _ 28.6
Snctnd Psyker, H __ 30.6
Sectional HQ _____ +10
Company HQ varies
_Tactical CHQ _____ 23.5
_Rough Rider CHQ __ 47.375
_Ragnarok CHQ _____ 77.15
_Sabre CHQ ________ 52.125
Assault ___________ 20.5
Beastmen __________ 21.5
Cyborg Berserker __ 30
Heavy _____________ 12
Hive Ganger _______ 61.5
Human Bomb ________ 17.2
Militia ____________ 1.7
Penal Trooper ______ 7
Rocket _____________ 3.1
Tactical ___________ 7
Warrior ___________ 11.25
Rough Riders ______ 26.25
Imperial Bikes ____ 28.338
Robot _____________ 32
Sentinel __________ 29.5
Artillery Tractor _ 19.506 [Transport 1: LA]
Chimera ___________ 31.625 [Transport 2: I 1/1, LA1/0]
Leman Russ ________ 46.256
Ragnarok __________ 51.775
Recon Vehicle _____ 24.5
Recon (Heavy) _____ 29.75 [Transport 1: I1/1]
Rhino, Command ____ 54.881 [Transport 2: I 1/1, W 1/2, LA1/0]
Rhino, Cm Stealth _ 74.881 [Transport 2: I 1/1, W 1/2, LA1/0] Stealth
Sabre _____________ 28.75
Salamander ________ 33.25
Vindicator ________ 37
Zulu AA Gun _______ -0.25
Infantry Gun ______ -6.75
Mole Mortar _______ 11.25
Rapier ____________ -3
Tarantula __________ 9.5
Thudd Gun __________ 9
Basilisk _________ 122
Earthshaker ______ 101
Manticore _________ 50
Whirlwind _________ 38
Thunderbolt ______ 239
Baneblade ________ 143.31
Shadowsword ______ 155
Storm Hammer _____ 162.09

Planetary Defense Force Formations:

_ Company Formations:
Tactical _______ 150
Militia _________ 75
Support _________ 65
Hive Gang ______ 540
Penal __________ 110
Beastmen _______ 360
Ragnarok _______ 235
Sabre __________ 125
Rough Rider ____ 335
Light Artillery _ 40
Earthshaker ____ 385

_ Special Formations:
Cyborg Berserkers _________ 150
Forward Observer __________ 115
Grey Knights ______________ 230
Inquisitor ________________ 210 (Cm Rhino)
Inquisitor on Horse _______ 210
Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor ___ 150 (Cm Rhino)
Ordo-Malleus on Horse _____ 150
Sanctioned Psyker __________ 45 (Cm Rhino)
Sanctioned Psyker on Horse _ 30
Commissar __________________ 90 (Cm Rhino)
Commissar on Horse _________ 85
Battalion Command __________ 70 (Cm Chimera)
Regimental Command ________ 110 (Cm Chimera)
Baneblade _________________ 130
Shadowsword _______________ 140
Stormhammer _______________ 145

_ Support Formations:
Assault _____ 50
Beastmen ____ 95
Heavy _______ 30
Hive Gang __ 165
Human Bomb _ 120
Militia ______ 5
Patrol ______ 75 [5 Tactical, 5 Recon Vehicle (Heavy)]
Penal _______ 20
Rocket ______ 10
Tactical ____ 30
Warrior _____ 45

Rough Rider __ 105
Imperial Bike _ 70

Robot ___ 160
Sentinel _ 70

Artillery Tractor _ 30
Leman Russ ________ 75
Ragnarok __________ 95
Recon _____________ 60 [5 Recon Vehicle; BP3, Morale 5]
Sabre _____________ 45
Salamander ________ 55
Vindicator ________ 60
Zulu AA ____________ 0 (-0)

Infantry Gun _ 0 (-10)
Mole Mortar _ 20
Rapier _______ 0 (-5)
Tarantula ___ 25
Thudd Gun ___ 15

Basilisk ____ 200
Earthshaker _ 165
Manticore ____ 80
Whirlwind ____ 60

Thunderbolt _ 430

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for PDF
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:34 am 
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Hi!

Oh, I CARE. In fact I won't use the old values anymore. Just your formula. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for PDF
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:48 am 
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LOL It has long seemed that most people (even sometimes you, Primarch) just are not interested in the "new" factions. That is, the ones that were not around during 2nd edition Epic. Which is understandable, as one has to use proxies for a great number of models in them. Still, they are there, so they will be converted.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for PDF
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:08 pm 
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MagnusIlluminus wrote:
LOL It has long seemed that most people (even sometimes you, Primarch) just are not interested in the "new" factions. That is, the ones that were not around during 2nd edition Epic. Which is understandable, as one has to use proxies for a great number of models in them. Still, they are there, so they will be converted.


Hi!

This is true. I sometimes am of the opinion that Gold went a little "too inclusive" and some army lists are better left as small specialty forces rather than a full blow army list. PDF and Adeptus mechanicus being prime examples.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for PDF
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:59 am 
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Updated for tweak2.

Planetary Defense Forces:

Colonel ___________ 86
Commisar __________ 66
Commisar, Horse ___ 76
Forward Observer __ 47
Grey Knights _____ 123.6
Hive Gang Boss ____ 96
Inquisitor _______ 177.9
Inquisitor Horse _ 190.9
Major _____________ 52
OM Inquisitor ____ 122.5
OM Inquisitor, H _ 135.5
Sanctioned Psyker _ 30.15
Snctnd Psyker, H __ 32.15
Sectional HQ _____ +10
Company HQ varies
_Tactical CHQ _____ 25
_Rough Rider CHQ __ 47.75
_Ragnarok CHQ _____ 83.275
_Sabre CHQ ________ 59.25
Assault ___________ 21
Beastmen __________ 22
Cyborg Berserker __ 29
Heavy _____________ 18
Hive Ganger _______ 62
Human Bomb ________ 17.8
Militia ____________ 2.4
Penal Trooper ______ 8
Rocket _____________ 5.2
Tactical ___________ 8
Warrior ___________ 11.5
Rough Riders ______ 26.5
Imperial Bikes ____ 28.675
Robot _____________ 35
Sentinel __________ 30
Artillery Tractor _ 18.013 [Transport 1: LA]
Chimera ___________ 29.75 [Transport 2: I 1/1, LA1/0]
Leman Russ ________ 52.513
Ragnarok __________ 62.55
Recon Vehicle _____ 24
Recon Vehicle Heavy 29.25 [Transport 1: I1/1]
Recon (Heavy) _____ 29.75 [Transport 1: I1/1]
Rhino, Command ____ 52.388 [Transport 2: I 1/1, W 1/2, LA1/0]
Rhino, Cm Stealth _ 72.388 [Transport 2: I 1/1, W 1/2, LA1/0] Stealth
Sabre _____________ 32.5
Salamander ________ 36.875
Vindicator ________ 41
Zulu AA Gun ________ 6.5
Infantry Gun ______ -4.5
Mole Mortar _______ 21.375
Rapier _____________ 3
Tarantula _________ 23
Thudd Gun _________ 18
Basilisk _________ 174
Earthshaker ______ 155
Manticore _________ 66
Whirlwind _________ 44
Thunderbolt ______ 243
Baneblade ________ 165.63
Shadowsword ______ 205.08
Storm Hammer _____ 187.18

Planetary Defense Force Formations:

_ Company Formations:
Tactical _______ 160
Militia _________ 83
Support _________ 86
Hive Gang ______ 544
Penal __________ 118
Beastmen _______ 335
Ragnarok _______ 278
Sabre __________ 142
Rough Rider ____ 336
Light Artillery _ 59
Earthshaker ____ 561

_ Special Formations:
Cyborg Berserkers _________ 145
Forward Observer __________ 112
Grey Knights ______________ 231
Inquisitor ________________ 214 (Cm Rhino)
Inquisitor on Horse _______ 214
Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor ___ 152 (Cm Rhino)
Ordo-Malleus on Horse _____ 152
Sanctioned Psyker __________ 45 (Cm Rhino)
Sanctioned Psyker on Horse _ 32
Commissar __________________ 89 (Cm Rhino)
Commissar on Horse _________ 85
Battilion Command __________ 71 (Cm Chimera)
Regimental Command ________ 111 (Cm Chimera)
Baneblade _________________ 149
Shadowsword _______________ 185
Stormhammer _______________ 169

_ Support Formations:
Assault _____ 56
Beastmen ___ 104
Heavy _______ 49
Hive Gang __ 172
Human Bomb _ 125
Militia _____ 14
Patrol ______ 75 [5 Tactical, 5 Recon Vehicle (Heavy)]
Penal _______ 30
Rocket ______ 18
Tactical ____ 41
Warrior _____ 51

Rough Rider __ 106
Imperial Bike _ 69

Robot ___ 196
Sentinel _ 78

Artillery Tractor _ 35
Leman Russ ________ 91
Ragnarok _________ 119
Recon _____________ 58 [5 Recon Vehicle; BP3, Morale 5]
Sabre _____________ 58
Salamander ________ 65
Vindicator ________ 72
Zulu AA ___________ 21

Infantry Gun _ 0 (-3)
Mole Mortar _ 40
Rapier ______ 10
Tarantula ___ 61
Thudd Gun ___ 35

Basilisk ____ 287
Earthshaker _ 257
Manticore ___ 112
Whirlwind ____ 77

Thunderbolt _ 443

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for PDF
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:10 pm 
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Found and fixed as error with values for Robot.

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Found and corrected a few errors with formation costs. I had a few related errors all dealing with Sectional HQ that affected the Beastmen Company and most Support formations.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:36 pm 
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OP updated for tweak 3 costs.

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OP updated for V0.33

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OP updated to V0.41

Added Morale and Command / Orders adjustments to Model value.

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