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Points formula values for Imperial Guard

 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:33 pm 
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The Bissler wrote:
Ringo's suggestion seems very sensible although I'm closer to Primarch on this one.

I reckon there should be a flat charge for vehicles having the transport ability, not for how many stands they can accommodate. I don't see it as something that makes vehicles more valuable, as I said before, it makes them juicier targets for the enemy, even more so when they carry more than 2 stands. That's a massive disadvantage, and therefore I believe that any charge for the Transport "ability" should be close to negligible.

Wouldn't a flat charge for Transport solve a lot of problems?


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Another way would be instead of a cost per unit of transport, a cost per a "range" of transport expressed as a flat cost per range.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 6:35 am 
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I've been letting all of these suggestions about Transport percolate in my mind for a while. The Bissler makes some very good points, especially that the more models a model carries, the bigger a target it becomes. That had not been taken into consideration when the SA costs list was first formed. I feel that the ability to Transport must have a cost, as otherwise every model could have the ability. Also, @ringo has a good suggestion. Tiers of cost.

Thus it seems we need to redefine how the Transport ability is applied when creating a model's stats, and the costs thereof. While my plan here won't be a 'flat' cost as such, it will certainly be flatter. I've also thought of another factor that should modify the cost of Transport. This makes the Transport ability a little more complicated to apply, but will overall cost less, I think.
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Revised Transport:

The base cost of Transport is 4 points. For your 4 points that model is allowed to carry 2 squads/stands of Infantry or Light Artillery. Requires Vehicle class or larger.

Modifier 1: Move of unit with Transport
The standard Move for a unit with Transport is considered to be 20cm (4). For every 5cm above or below this number, the base cost is adjusted by 1 point. Examples: A model with a Move of 25cm would adjust its base cost by +1, and a model with a Move of 10cm would adjust its base cost by -2.

Modifier 2: Unitclass
_To be able to carry Walker class units, add +2 to base cost. Requires Vehicle class.
_To be able to carry Vehicle class units, add another +2 to base cost. Requires Super Heavy class.
_To be able to carry Super Heavy class units, add another +2 to base cost. Requires Praetorian class.
_To be able to carry Praetorian/Scout Titan class units, add another +2 to base cost. Requires Praetorian class.
_To be able to carry Battle Titan class (Reaver, Warlord) class units, add another +2 to base cost.
_To be able to carry Imperator or Mega-Gargant class units, add another +2 to base cost.

Modifier 3: Capacity
_If you really want to only be able to carry 1 squad/stand, the base cost is reduced by -2.
_To be able to carry one Detachment's worth of Infantry (typically 6 to 10 squads/stands), apply the base cost again. This should require the model to be Super Heavy or larger.
_To be able to carry one Company's worth of Infantry, apply the base cost again. This should require the model to be a Praetorian.
_To be able to carry each additional Company, apply the base cost again.
_To be able to bypass one required class of vehicle for capacity, apply the base cost again. For example, a Mole can carry one Detachment of Infantry, but is only a Vehicle class model. It would have to apply this adjustment.

Adjustments to other Special Abilities:
_ The Open Top ability now has zero (0) cost modifier, as it allows the vehicle to carry +50% additional squads/stands, but any hit on the unit will also hit a unit carried.
_ The Tow ability is now just a lowest-level use of Transport. That is, the model with Tow may carry one squad/stand of Infantry or Light Artillery for a cost of 2 points, adjusted by Move.
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Examples of Transport costs:
A Chimera (or variant) can carry 2 squads of Infantry (base 4) and has a Move of 20cm, and can carry Walker, so its base cost for its Transport is 4+0+2=6, for a total cost of 6.
A Rhino carries 2 squads of Infantry and has Move of 25cm, and can carry Walker. Thus it's base cost is 4+1+2=7, and the cost of its Transport is 7.
A Razorback only carries 1 squad and has Move 25cm. It's base cost is thus 4-2+1=3, for a total cost of 3.
A Termite carries 2 Infantry, Moves 15cm. Thus base cost is 4-1=3, for a total cost of 3.
A Mole carries 1 Detachment of Infantry, Move of 15cm. Thus base cost is 4-1=3 and total is 3+3+3=9 (base +detachment +ignore unitclass required).
A Mole that can carry Walker would be base 5 and total 15.
A Valkyrie is Vehicle, carries 2 Infantry, Move 60cm. Base is 4+8=12, for a cost of 12.
A Gorgon carries 1 Infantry Detachment, is SH, Move 10cm. Base cost is 4-2=2, for a total of 2+2=4.
A Gorgon that can carry Walker would be base 4-2+2=4 and total 4+4=8.
A Hellbore is Praetorian, may carry 1 Infantry Company, and Move 15cm. Base is 4-1=3, total is 3+3+3=9 (base +Detachment +Company).
A Hellbore that can carry Walker would be base of 5, and total of 15.
A Leviathan is Praetorian, may carry 1 Infantry Company, and Move 10cm. Base is 4-2=2, total is 2+2+2=6.
An Imperial Dropship is Praetorian, may carry a lot of anything (including an Imperator!), and Move special. Since this enters the board much like Deep Strike but slower, I'm inclined to give that no modifier. Base cost works to 4+12=16, and total to 16+16+16+16+16 (three Companies of Infantry) = 80 (this is still less than it's current value).
A Capitol Imperialis is Praetorian, may carry 2 Companies, and Move 10cm. Base is 4-2+6 (up to Super Heavy) = 8, and total cost of 8+8+8+8=32.
An Imperator is a Mega-Titan, can carry 1 Infantry Company, and Move 10cm. Base is thus 4-2=2, and total cost is 2+2+2=6.

Adjusted unit costs using this would be (also putting Save value back to full for Titans & Praetorians):
Chimedon: 57
Chimera: 34.5
Chimera, Command: 54.75
Chimerax: 42
Chimerro: 46.5
Rhino: 31
Razorback: 45
Termite: 28
Termite, Command: 47
Mole: 74
Mole, Walker: 80
Valkyrie: 104
Gorgon: 131.3
Gorgon, Walker: 135.3
Gorgon, Command: 168.9
Gorgon, Command, Walker: 172.9
Hellbore: 467
Hellbore, Walker: 473
Leviathan: 679.3
Imperial Dropship: 505
Capitol Imperialis, Behemoth: 1000
Capitol Imperialis, Volcano: 1352
Imperator: 4565

Reducing the Gorgon's double front armor save's modifier from *2 to *1.5 results in:
Gorgon: 113.3
Gorgon, Walker: 117.3
Gorgon, Command: 150.9
Gorgon, Command, Walker: 154.9

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:39 am 
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Yes! This looks much better! Thanks Magnus! And sorry to have put you to so much trouble! ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:44 am 
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No worries. Time spent improving the formula is time well spent.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard
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Hi!

Wow!

What a difference a little tweaking makes! ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard
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While doing the Squat list, I discovered what the "stray" *4 modifier was for on the Doom Cannon for the Leviathan. It was for that weapon's Range of 200cm. Thus that modifier has to return. Thus the Leviathan now has a model cost of 955.3 and a formation cost of 1070. This does include the adjustment to Transport cost.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard
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Oh wow. I never posted Formation values for Guard. Right, I'll be fixing that shortly.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard
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Cool, thanks Magnus!

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard
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As usual, fixed a few issues and errors, so the "base" values may vary from those above.

_ Imperial Guard models __ base _ direct _ template _ ranged _ CAF _ Final
Adeptus Mechanicus: _______ 37 ____ 35.5 ___ 37 ____ 35.5 ___ 38 ____ 36.5
Adeptus Psyker: ___________ 32.5 __ 27.63 __ 32.5 __ 27.63 __ 32.5 __ 27.63
Astropath: ________________ 38 ____ 36.5 ___ 38 ____ 36.5 ___ 38 ____ 36.5
Colonel: __________________ 84 ____ 79.5 ___ 84 ____ 79.5 ___ 90 ____ 85.5
Commissar: ________________ 57 ____ 52.5 ___ 57 ____ 52.5 ___ 69 ____ 64.5
Commissar on Bike: ________ 81 ____ 76.5 ___ 81 ____ 76.5 __ 117 ___ 112.5
Commissar on Horse: _______ 69 ____ 64.5 ___ 69 ____ 64.5 ___ 93 ____ 88.5
Commissar on Speeder: ____ 117 ___ 112.5 __ 117 ___ 112.5 __ 165 ___ 160.5
Confessor: ________________ 80 ____ 78.5 ___ 80 ____ 78.5 ___ 83 ____ 81.5
Forward Observer: _________ 48 ____ 46.5 ___ 48 ____ 46.5 ___ 48 ____ 46.5
Grey Knights: ____________ 132.2 _ 113.3 __ 132.2 _ 113.3 __ 141.2 _ 122.3
Inquisitor Squad: ________ 184.8 _ 156.45 _ 184.8 _ 156.45 _ 202.8 _ 174.45
Major: ____________________ 53 ____ 48.5 ___ 53 ____ 48.5 ___ 56 ____ 51.5
Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor: _ 124 ___ 103.75 _ 124 ___ 103.75 _ 142 ___ 121.75
Callidus Assassin: ________ 71 ____ 71 _____ 71 ____ 71 _____ 71 ____ 71
Vindicare Assassin: _______ 51 ____ 45 _____ 51 ____ 45 _____ 51 ____ 45

Sectional HQ (SHQ): _ 10 _____ 10 _____ 10 _____ 10 _____ 10 _____ 10
Company HQ (CHQ): varies
_Tactical CHQ: ______ 28 _____ 23.5 ___ 28 _____ 23.5 ___ 28 _____ 23.5
_Assault CHQ: _______ 44 _____ 41.75 __ 44 _____ 41.75 __ 48 _____ 45.75
_Storm Trooper CHQ: _ 46 _____ 41.5 ___ 46 _____ 41.5 ___ 49 _____ 44.5
_Imperial Bike CHQ: _ 43.35 __ 42.34 __ 43.35 __ 42.34 __ 53.35 __ 52.34
_Land Speeder CHQ: __ 92 _____ 78.5 ___ 92 _____ 78.5 __ 113 _____ 99.5
_Rough Rider CHQ: ___ 39.5 ___ 38.38 __ 39.5 ___ 38.38 __ 48.5 ___ 47.38
_Leman Russ CHQ: ___ 110.53 __ 65.13 _ 110.53 __ 65.13 _ 116.53 __ 71.13
_Predator CHQ: _____ 109 _____ 61.75 _ 109 _____ 61.75 _ 109 _____ 61.75
_Vindicator CHQ: ___ 100 _____ 59.5 __ 100 _____ 59.5 __ 100 _____ 59.5
_Baneblade CHQ: ____ 279.75 _ 146.44 _ 279.75 _ 146.44 _ 319.75 _ 186.44
_Shadowsword CHQ: __ 442.15 _ 181 ____ 442.15 _ 181 ____ 472.15 _ 211
_Stormblade CHQ: ___ 295 ____ 144.25 _ 295 ____ 144.25 _ 325 ____ 174.25
_Storm Hammer CHQ: _ 318.35 _ 175.59 _ 318.35 _ 175.59 _ 368.35 _ 225.59
_Valkyrie CHQ: _____ 184 ____ 179.5 __ 178 ____ 173.5 __ 184 ____ 173.5
_Vulture CHQ: ______ 191.4 __ 178.35 _ 191.4 __ 178.35 _ 221.4 __ 208.35
_Chimera, Command: __ 54.75 __ 49.69 __ 54.75 __ 49.69 __ 57.75 __ 52.69
_Chimera, Cm Scout: _ 70.25 __ 65.19 __ 70.25 __ 65.19 __ 73.25 __ 68.19
_Rhino, Command: ____ 51.03 __ 49.51 __ 51.03 __ 49.51 __ 51.03 __ 49.51
_Rhino, Cm Scout: ___ 66.03 __ 64.51 __ 66.03 __ 64.51 __ 66.03 __ 64.51
_Gorgon, Command: __ 150.9 __ 136.73 _ 150.9 __ 136.73 _ 178.9 __ 164.73
_Termite, Command: __ 47 _____ 47 _____ 47 _____ 47 _____ 50 _____ 50

Assault Squad: ________ 19.5 _ 18 ____ 19.5 _ 18 ____ 22 ___ 20.5
Beastmen Squad: _______ 20 ___ 18.5 __ 20 ___ 18.5 __ 23 ___ 21.5
Engineer: _____________ 18 ___ 16.5 __ 18 ___ 16.5 __ 18 ___ 16.5
Heavy Squad: __________ 30 ___ 12 ____ 30 ___ 12 ____ 30 ___ 12
Ogryn Squad: __________ 40.4 _ 38.6 __ 40.4 _ 38.6 __ 46.4 _ 44.6
Ratling Sniper Squad: _ 75 ___ 72.75 _ 75 ___ 72.75 _ 74 ___ 71.75
Storm Trooper Squad: __ 28 ___ 25 ____ 28 ___ 25 ____ 29.5 _ 26.5
Tactical Squad: _______ 10 ____ 7 ____ 10 ____ 7 ____ 10 ____ 7

Rough Rider stand: ____ 21 ____ 20.25 _ 21 ____ 20.25 _ 27 ____ 26.25
Imperial Bike Stand: __ 21.35 _ 20.34 _ 21.35 _ 20.39 _ 29.35 _ 28.34
Land Speeder Tornado: _ 48 ____ 42 ____ 48 ____ 42 ____ 63 ____ 57
Land Speeder Typhoon: _ 46 ____ 46 ____ 43 ____ 43 ____ 61 ____ 58
Land Speeder: _________ 52 ____ 43 ____ 52 ____ 43 ____ 67 ____ 58

Robot: ____ 47 _ 33.5 _ 47 _ 33.5 _ 47 _ 33.5
Sentinel: _ 28 _ 23.5 _ 28 _ 23.5 _ 34 _ 29.5

Artillery Tractor: _______ 20.03 _ 18.51 _ 20 ____ 18.51 _ 20 ____ 18.51
Bridging Vehicle: ________ 32.03 _ 30.51 _ 32 ____ 30.51 _ 32 ____ 30.51
Chimedon: ________________ 57 ____ 36.75 _ 57 ____ 36.75 _ 59 ____ 38.75
Chimera: _________________ 34.5 __ 31.13 _ 34.5 __ 31.13 _ 36.5 __ 33.13
Chimerax: ________________ 42 ____ 33 ____ 42 ____ 33 ____ 44 ____ 35
Chimerro: ________________ 46.5 __ 34.13 _ 46.5 __ 34.13 _ 48.5 __ 36.13
Demolisher: ______________ 55.5 __ 40.88 _ 55.5 __ 40.88 _ 61.5 __ 46.88
Destroyer Tank-Hunter: ___ 72 ____ 36 ____ 72 ____ 36 ____ 72 ____ 36
Hellhound: _______________ 55.75 _ 55.75 _ 38.88 _ 38.88 _ 55.75 _ 38.88
Hydra AA Gun: ___________ 152 ____ 56 ___ 152 ____ 56 ___ 152 ____ 56
Leman Russ: ______________ 73.03 _ 42.26 _ 73 ____ 42.26 _ 77 ____ 46.26
Leman Russ Conqueror: ____ 70.08 _ 43 ____ 70 ____ 43 ____ 76 ____ 49
Leman Russ Executioner: __ 94.03 _ 47.51 _ 94 ____ 47.51 _ 98 ____ 51.5
Leman Russ Exterminator: _ 77.08 _ 43.27 _ 77 ____ 43.27 _ 81 ____ 47.27
Leman Russ Vanquisher: __ 100 ____ 49 ___ 100 ____ 49 ___ 104 ____ 53
Mole: ____________________ 80 ____ 77 ____ 68 ____ 65 ____ 84.5 __ 69.5
Predator: ________________ 68 ____ 36.5 __ 68 ____ 36.5 __ 68 ____ 36.5
Rhino: ___________________ 31.03 _ 29.51 _ 31 ____ 29.51 _ 31 ____ 29.51
Sabre Tank-Hunter: _______ 40 ____ 26.5 __ 40 ____ 26.5 __ 40 ____ 26.5
Scorpion AA Gun: _________ 26 ____ -1 ____ 26 ____ -1 ____ 29 _____ 2
Termite: _________________ 28 ____ 28 ____ 28 ____ 28 ____ 29.5 __ 29.5
Thunderer: _______________ 82 ____ 41.5 __ 82 ____ 41.5 __ 84 ____ 43.5
Vindicator: ______________ 64 ____ 37 ____ 64 ____ 37 ____ 64 ____ 37

Mole Mortar: _ 31.5 _ 31.5 _ 11.25 _ 11.25 _ 31.5 _ 11.25
Rapier: ______ 18 ____ 0 ___ 18 _____ 0 ____ 15 ___ -3
Tarantula: ___ 50 ____ 9.5 _ 50 _____ 9.5 __ 50 ____ 9.5
Thudd Gun: ___ 27 ___ 27 ____ 9 _____ 9 ____ 27 ____ 9

Basilisk: ___________ 230 ___ 230 ___ 122 ___ 122 ___ 230 ___ 122
Bombard: ____________ 372 ___ 372 ___ 192 ___ 192 ___ 372 ___ 192
Deathstrike Barrage: _ 50.32 _ 50.32 _ 30.16 _ 30.16 _ 50.32 _ 30.16
Deathstrike Harpoon: _ 38.8 __ 17.2 __ 38.8 __ 17.2 __ 38.8 __ 17.2
Deathstrike Warp Ms: _ 79.12 _ 27.28 _ 79.12 _ 27.28 _ 79.12 _ 27.28
Griffon: _____________ 75 ____ 75 ____ 43.5 __ 43.5 __ 75 ____ 43.5
Manticore: ___________ 86 ____ 86 ____ 50 ____ 50 ____ 86 ____ 50
Medusa: ______________ 86 ____ 32 ____ 86 ____ 32 ____ 86 ____ 32
Whirlwind: ___________ 56 ____ 56 ____ 38 ____ 38 ____ 56 ____ 38

Lightning Attack: ____ 200 __ 189.5 _ 200 __ 189.5 _ 350 ___ 339.5
Lightning Strike: ____ 178 __ 152.5 _ 178 __ 152.5 _ 238 ___ 212.5
Marauder Bomber: _____ 204 __ 172.5 _ 180 __ 148.5 _ 234 ___ 178.5
Marauder Destroyer: __ 250 __ 218.5 _ 202 __ 170.5 _ 278 ___ 198.5
Thunderbolt Fighter: _ 176 __ 167 ___ 168 __ 159 ___ 256 ___ 239
Valkyrie: ____________ 104 __ 101 ___ 100 ___ 97 ___ 104 ____ 97
Vulture: _____________ 103.6 _ 94.9 _ 103.6 _ 94.5 _ 127.6 _ 118.9

Baneblade: ____ 205.25 _ 111.31 _ 205.25 _ 111.31 _ 237.25 _ 143.31
Gorgon: _______ 113.3 __ 101.83 _ 113.3 __ 101.83 _ 133.3 __ 121.83
Shadowsword: __ 308.15 _ 131 ____ 308.15 _ 131 ____ 332.15 _ 155
Stormblade: ___ 211.4 __ 106.85 _ 211.4 __ 106.85 _ 235.4 __ 130.85
Storm Hammer: _ 242.35 _ 140.09 _ 242.35 _ 140.09 _ 282.35 _ 180
Stormsword: ___ 218.15 _ 111.54 _ 218.15 _ 111.54 _ 246.15 _ 139.54

Capitol Imperialis, Behemoth: _ 1000 _ 907 __ 936.2 _ 843 _ 1192.2 _ 1035
Capitol Imperialis, Volcano: __ 1172 _ 854 _ 1172.2 _ 854 _ 1364.2 _ 1046
Hellbore: ____________ 473 ____ 467 ____ 413 ___ 419 _____ 683 ___ 629
Imperial Dropship: ___ 665.4 __ 560.1 __ 649.4 _ 544.1 ___ 801.4 _ 680.1
Leviathan Mobile HQ: _ 955.3 __ 862.83 _ 747.3 _ 654.83 _ 1147.3 _ 846.83
AMO Armageddon: ______ 840.7 __ 442.68 _ 840.7 _ 442.68 __ 920.7 _ 522.68
AMO Golgotha: ________ 779 ____ 748.85 _ 548.6 _ 518.45 __ 859 ___ 598.45
AMO Mars: ___________ 1144.2 _ 1114 ____ 739.2 _ 709 ____ 1224.2 _ 789
Warhound: ____________ 383 ____ 383 ____ 383 ___ 383 _____ 543 ___ 543
Reaver: ______________ 414 ____ 414 ____ 414 ___ 414 _____ 630 ___ 630
Warlord: _____________ 457 ____ 457 ____ 457 ___ 457 _____ 695 ___ 695


_ Imperial Guard Formations
[All Command Rhino replaced with Command Chimera, except with Storm Trooper. Players who wish to use Rhinos instead may do so at no cost difference.]

_ Company Formations:
Tactical: ______ 290 _ 240 _ 290 _ 240 _ 305 _ 250
Assault: _______ 310 _ 290 _ 310 _ 290 _ 345 _ 325
Heavy: _________ 345 _ 220 _ 345 _ 220 _ 360 _ 235
Storm Trooper: _ 550 _ 505 _ 550 _ 505 _ 580 _ 535
Abhuman: _______ 415 _ 380 _ 415 _ 380 _ 465 _ 430

Mechanized Tactical: _ 370 _ 320 _ 370 _ 320 _ 390 _ 340
Mechanized Assault: __ 465 _ 430 _ 465 _ 430 _ 515 _ 480
Gorgon Tactical: _____ 400 _ 350 _ 400 _ 350 _ 450 _ 395
Gorgon Assault: ______ 490 _ 455 _ 490 _ 455 _ 565 _ 525
Mole: ________________ 390 _ 335 _ 375 _ 320 _ 405 _ 340
Hellbore: ____________ 645 _ 590 _ 600 _ 550 _ 830 _ 735

Imperial Bike: _ 245 _ 235 _ 245 _ 235 _ 330 _ 320
Land Speeder: __ 485 _ 420 _ 485 _ 420 _ 630 _ 565
Rough Rider: ___ 415 _ 400 _ 415 _ 400 _ 525 _ 510

Leman Russ: _________ 340 _ 210 _ 340 _ 210 _ 360 _ 225
Leman Russ Assault: _ 395 _ 225 _ 395 _ 225 _ 415 _ 245
Predator: ___________ 320 _ 185 _ 320 _ 185 _ 320 _ 185
Vindicator: _________ 305 _ 185 _ 305 _ 185 _ 305 _ 185
Baneblade: __________ 410 _ 220 _ 410 _ 220 _ 475 _ 280
Shadowsword: ________ 630 _ 265 _ 630 _ 265 _ 680 _ 310
Stormblade: _________ 430 _ 215 _ 430 _ 215 _ 475 _ 260
Stormhammer: ________ 480 _ 270 _ 480 _ 270 _ 555 _ 350

Artillery: ______ 1110 _ 1100 _ 625 _ 615 _ 1110 _ 620
Siege Artillery: _ 760 __ 615 _ 540 _ 400 __ 760 _ 400
Rocket: __________ 375 __ 365 _ 265 _ 255 __ 375 _ 255

Sky Wolf: _ 535 _ 495 _ 535 _ 495 _ 645 _ 605
Airborne: _ 995 _ 925 _ 965 _ 895 _ 995 _ 895

_ Special:
Adeptus Mechanicus: ___ 85 __ 80 __ 85 __ 80 __ 90 __ 85
Adeptus Psyker: _______ 45 __ 40 __ 45 __ 40 __ 45 __ 40
Assassin, Callidus: ___ 70 __ 70 __ 70 __ 70 __ 70 __ 70
Assassin, Vindicare: __ 50 __ 45 __ 50 __ 45 __ 50 __ 45
Astropath: ____________ 50 __ 50 __ 50 __ 50 __ 55 __ 50
Confessor: ____________ 95 __ 90 __ 95 __ 90 _ 100 __ 95
Forward Observer: ____ 110 _ 105 _ 110 _ 105 _ 115 _ 110
Grey Knight: _________ 250 _ 210 _ 250 _ 210 _ 265 _ 230
Inquisitor: __________ 220 _ 190 _ 220 _ 190 _ 240 _ 210
Ordo-Malleus Inqstr: _ 150 _ 130 _ 150 _ 130 _ 175 _ 150
Battalion Command: ____ 75 __ 70 __ 75 __ 70 __ 80 __ 70
Regimental Command: __ 115 _ 105 _ 115 _ 105 _ 120 _ 110

Capitol Imprls, Behemoth: _ 1120 _ 1015 _ 1050 _ 945 _ 1335 _ 1160
Capitol Imprls, Volcano: __ 1315 __ 955 _ 1315 _ 955 _ 1530 _ 1170
Imperial Dropship: _ 670 __ 565 _ 655 _ 550 __ 810 _ 685
Leviathan: ________ 1070 __ 965 _ 835 _ 735 _ 1285 _ 950
AMO Armageddon: ____ 850 __ 445 _ 845 _ 445 __ 930 _ 525
AMO Golgotha: ______ 785 __ 755 _ 555 _ 525 __ 865 _ 605
AMO Mars: _________ 1155 _ 1125 _ 745 _ 715 _ 1235 _ 795
Warhound +2W: ______ 385 __ 385 _ 385 _ 385 __ 545 _ 545
Reaver +3W: ________ 415 __ 415 _ 415 _ 415 __ 635 _ 635
Warlord +4W: _______ 460 __ 460 _ 460 _ 460 __ 700 _ 700

_ Support:
Assault: ________ 60 __ 60 __ 60 __ 60 __ 70 __ 65
Beastmen: ______ 100 __ 90 _ 100 __ 90 _ 115 _ 105
Engineer: _______ 60 __ 55 __ 60 __ 55 __ 60 __ 55
Heavy: __________ 90 __ 40 __ 90 __ 40 __ 90 __ 40
Ogryn: __________ 90 __ 85 __ 90 __ 85 _ 100 __ 95
Ratling: _______ 280 _ 270 _ 280 _ 270 _ 275 _ 265
Storm Trooper: _ 155 _ 140 _ 155 _ 140 _ 160 _ 145
Tactical: _______ 55 __ 40 __ 55 __ 40 __ 55 __ 40

Airborne: _______________ 335 _ 315 _ 325 _ 300 _ 335 _ 300
Gorgon Assault: _________ 115 _ 105 _ 115 _ 105 _ 130 _ 120
Gorgon Tactical: _________ 85 __ 75 __ 85 __ 75 __ 95 __ 85
Mech Assault Chimedon: __ 155 _ 120 _ 155 _ 120 _ 165 _ 130
Mech Assault Chimera: ___ 120 _ 110 _ 120 _ 110 _ 130 _ 120
Mech Assault Chimerax: __ 130 _ 115 _ 130 _ 115 _ 140 _ 125
Mech Assault Chimerro: __ 135 _ 115 _ 135 _ 115 _ 150 _ 125
Mech Heavy Chimedon: ____ 185 _ 100 _ 185 _ 100 _ 190 _ 105
Mech Heavy Chimera: _____ 150 __ 90 _ 150 __ 90 _ 155 __ 95
Mech Heavy Chimerax: ____ 160 __ 95 _ 160 __ 95 _ 165 _ 100
Mech Heavy Chimerro: ____ 170 __ 95 _ 170 __ 95 _ 170 _ 100
Mech Tactical Chimedon: _ 125 __ 85 _ 125 __ 85 _ 130 __ 90
Mech Tactical Chimera: ___ 90 __ 75 __ 90 __ 75 __ 95 __ 80
Mech Tactical Chimerax: _ 100 __ 80 _ 100 __ 80 _ 105 __ 85
Mech Tactical Chimerro: _ 110 __ 80 _ 110 __ 80 _ 110 __ 85
Mole: ____________________ 95 __ 80 __ 90 __ 75 _ 100 __ 75
Termite: _________________ 80 __ 70 __ 80 __ 70 __ 85 __ 75

Imperial Bike: _ 65 __ 65 __ 65 __ 65 __ 90 __ 85
Land Speeder: _ 150 _ 125 _ 150 _ 125 _ 190 _ 165
LS Tornado: ___ 140 _ 120 _ 140 _ 120 _ 180 _ 165
LS Typhoon: ___ 135 _ 135 _ 125 _ 125 _ 175 _ 165
Rough Rider: __ 105 _ 100 _ 105 _ 100 _ 130 _ 125

Robot: ___ 265 _ 190 _ 265 _ 190 _ 265 _ 190
Sentinel: _ 85 __ 70 __ 85 __ 70 _ 100 __ 90

Artillery Tractor: _ 40 __ 40 __ 40 __ 40 __ 40 __ 40
Bridging Team: _____ 40 __ 35 __ 40 __ 35 __ 40 __ 35
Chimera: ___________ 70 __ 65 __ 70 __ 65 __ 75 __ 70
Chimedon: _________ 165 _ 110 _ 165 _ 110 _ 170 _ 115
Chimerax: _________ 120 _ 100 _ 120 _ 100 _ 130 _ 105
Chimerro: _________ 135 _ 100 _ 135 _ 100 _ 140 _ 105
Demolisher: _______ 110 __ 85 _ 110 __ 85 _ 120 __ 95
Destroyer: ________ 140 __ 75 _ 140 __ 75 _ 140 __ 75
Hellhound: ________ 110 _ 110 __ 80 __ 80 _ 110 __ 80
Hydra: ____________ 285 _ 110 _ 285 _ 110 _ 285 _ 110
Leman Russ: _______ 140 __ 85 _ 140 __ 85 _ 150 __ 90
LR Conqueror: _____ 135 __ 85 _ 135 __ 85 _ 145 __ 95
LR Executioner: ___ 180 __ 95 _ 180 __ 95 _ 185 _ 100
LR Exterminator: __ 150 __ 85 _ 150 __ 85 _ 155 __ 95
LR Vanquisher: ____ 190 __ 95 _ 190 __ 95 _ 195 _ 105
Predator: _________ 130 __ 75 _ 130 __ 75 _ 130 __ 75
Sabre: _____________ 80 __ 55 __ 80 __ 55 __ 80 __ 55
Scorpion AA: _______ 80 ___ 5 __ 80 ___ 5 __ 85 __ 15
Thunderer: ________ 155 __ 85 _ 155 __ 85 _ 160 __ 85
Vindicator: _______ 125 __ 75 _ 125 __ 75 _ 125 __ 75

Mole Mortar: _ 65 _ 65 __ 30 _ 30 __ 65 _ 30
Rapier: ______ 40 _ 10 __ 40 _ 10 __ 35 __ 5
Tarantula: __ 150 _ 30 _ 150 _ 30 _ 150 _ 30
Thudd Gun: ___ 60 _ 60 __ 25 _ 25 __ 60 _ 25

Basilisk: __________ 425 _ 425 _ 230 _ 230 _ 425 _ 230
Bombard: ___________ 680 _ 680 _ 355 _ 355 _ 680 _ 355
Deathstrike: varies, choose 3
_Barrage each: ______ 35 __ 35 __ 20 __ 20 __ 35 __ 20
_Harpoon each: ______ 25 __ 15 __ 25 __ 15 __ 25 __ 15
_Warp Missile each: _ 50 __ 20 __ 50 __ 20 __ 50 __ 20
Griffon: ___________ 145 _ 145 __ 85 __ 85 _ 145 __ 85
Manticore: _________ 165 _ 165 _ 100 _ 100 _ 165 _ 100
Medusa: ____________ 165 __ 65 _ 165 __ 65 _ 165 __ 65
Whirlwind: _________ 110 _ 110 __ 75 __ 75 _ 110 __ 75

Lightning Attack: ___ 405 _ 385 _ 405 _ 385 _ 700 _ 680
Lightning Strike: ___ 360 _ 310 _ 360 _ 310 _ 480 _ 430
Marauder Bomber: ____ 415 _ 350 _ 365 _ 305 _ 470 _ 360
Marauder Destroyer: _ 505 _ 440 _ 410 _ 345 _ 560 _ 400
Thunderbolt: ________ 360 _ 340 _ 340 _ 325 _ 515 _ 480
Valkyrie: ___________ 320 _ 310 _ 305 _ 295 _ 320 _ 295
Vulture: ____________ 215 _ 195 _ 215 _ 195 _ 260 _ 245

Baneblade: ___ 205 _ 110 _ 205 _ 110 _ 235 _ 140
Shadowsword: _ 305 _ 130 _ 305 _ 130 _ 330 _ 155
Stormblade: __ 210 _ 105 _ 210 _ 105 _ 235 _ 130
Stormhammer: _ 240 _ 140 _ 240 _ 140 _ 280 _ 180
Stormsword: __ 215 _ 110 _ 215 _ 110 _ 245 _ 140

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New values for revision to Transport.

I've discovered a typo on the Gorgon. Note that this typo is also in the Adeptus Ministorum pdf. The typo is that it is listed as having Transport 6, but all of the formations that include a Gorgon have only 5 Infantry stands in them. I've fixed that below.
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_ Imperial Guard models
Adeptus Mechanicus: _______ 36.5
Adeptus Psyker: ___________ 27.63
Astropath: ________________ 36.5
Colonel: __________________ 85.5
Commisar: _________________ 64.5
Commisar on Bike: ________ 112.5
Commisar on Horse: ________ 88.5
Commisar on Speeder: _____ 160.5
Confessor: ________________ 81.5
Forward Observer: _________ 46.5
Grey Knights: ____________ 122.3
Inquisitor Squad: ________ 174.45
Major: ____________________ 51.5
Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor: _ 121.75
Callidus Assassin: ________ 71
Vindicare Assassin: _______ 45

Sectional HQ (SHQ): _ +10
Company HQ (CHQ): varies
_Tactical CHQ: ______ 23.5
_Assault CHQ: _______ 45.75
_Storm Trooper CHQ: _ 44.5
_Imperial Bike CHQ: _ 52.34
_Land Speeder CHQ: __ 99.5
_Rough Rider CHQ: ___ 47.38
_Leman Russ CHQ: ____ 71.13
_Predator CHQ: ______ 61.75
_Vindicator CHQ: ____ 59.5
_Baneblade CHQ: ____ 186.44
_Shadowsword CHQ: __ 211
_Stormblade CHQ: ___ 174.25
_Storm Hammer CHQ: _ 225.59
_Valkyrie CHQ: _____ 194.5 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or LA 1/2]
_Vulture CHQ: ______ 208.35
_Chimera, Command: __ 55.688 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
_Chimera, Cm Scout: _ 75.688 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
_Rhino, Command: ____ 54.881 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
_Rhino, Cm Scout: ___ 74.881 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots]
_Gorgon, Command: __ 169.73 [Transport 5: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
_Termite, Command: __ 57 [Transport 2: I 1/1]

Assault Squad: ________ 20.5
Beastmen Squad: _______ 21.5
Engineer: _____________ 16.5
Heavy Squad: __________ 12
Ogryn Squad: __________ 44.6
Ratling Sniper Squad: _ 71.75
Storm Trooper Squad: __ 26.5
Tactical Squad: ________ 7

Rough Rider stand: ____ 26.25
Imperial Bike Stand: __ 28.34
Land Speeder Tornado: _ 57
Land Speeder Typhoon: _ 58
Land Speeder: _________ 58

Robot: ____ 33.5
Sentinel: _ 29.5

Artillery Tractor: _______ 19.506 [Transport 1: LA]
Bridging Vehicle: ________ 30.51
Chimedon: ________________ 37.25 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
Chimera: _________________ 31.625 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
Chimerax: ________________ 33.5 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
Chimerro: ________________ 34.625 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
Demolisher: ______________ 46.88
Destroyer Tank-Hunter: ___ 36
Hellhound: _______________ 38.88
Hydra AA Gun: ____________ 46
Leman Russ: ______________ 46.26
Leman Russ Conqueror: ____ 49
Leman Russ Executioner: __ 51.5
Leman Russ Exterminator: _ 47.27
Leman Russ Vanquisher: ___ 53
Mole: ____________________ 71 [Transport Detachment: I]
Predator: ________________ 36.5
Rhino: ___________________ 29.381 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA 1/0]
Sabre Tank-Hunter: _______ 26.5
Scorpion AA Gun: __________ 2
Termite: _________________ 32.5 [Transport 2: I 1/1]
Thunderer: _______________ 43.5
Vindicator: ______________ 37

Mole Mortar: _ 11.25
Rapier: ______ -3
Tarantula: ____ 9.5
Thudd Gun: ____ 9

Basilisk: ___________ 122
Bombard: ____________ 192
Deathstrike Barrage: _ 30.16
Deathstrike Harpoon: _ 17.2
Deathstrike Warp Ms: _ 27.28
Griffon: _____________ 43.5
Manticore: ___________ 50
Medusa: ______________ 32
Whirlwind: ___________ 38

Lightning Attack: ____ 339.5
Lightning Strike: ____ 212.5
Marauder Bomber: _____ 178.5
Marauder Destroyer: __ 198.5
Thunderbolt Fighter: _ 239
Valkyrie: ____________ 105 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or LA 1/2]
Vulture: _____________ 118.9

Baneblade: ____ 143.31
Gorgon: _______ 120.83 [Transport 5: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots]
Shadowsword: __ 155
Stormblade: ___ 130.85
Storm Hammer: _ 180
Stormsword: ___ 139.54

Capitol Imperialis, Behemoth: _ 1059 [Transport 2xCompany: I,LA,C,V,F,SH]
Capitol Imperialis, Volcano: __ 1070 [Transport 2xCompany: I,LA,C,V,F,SH]
Hellbore: ______________________ 651.5 [Transport Company: I]
Imperial Dropship: _____________ 692.1 [Transport 3xCompany: I,LA,C,V,K,SH,ST,BT,MT]
Leviathan Mobile HQ: ___________ 863.33 [Transport Company: I]
AMO Armageddon: ________________ 522.68
AMO Golgotha: __________________ 598.45
AMO Mars: ______________________ 789
Warhound: ______________________ 543
Reaver: ________________________ 630
Warlord: _______________________ 695


_ Imperial Guard Formations
[All Command Rhino replaced with Command Chimera, except with Storm Trooper. Players who wish to use Rhinos instead may do so at no cost difference.]

_ Company Formations:
Tactical: ______ 255
Assault: _______ 330
Heavy: _________ 235
Storm Trooper: _ 540
Abhuman: _______ 435

Mechanized Tactical: _ 335
Mechanized Assault: __ 475
Gorgon Tactical: _____ 395
Gorgon Assault: ______ 525
Mole: ________________ 345
Hellbore: ____________ 755

Imperial Bike: _ 320
Land Speeder: __ 565
Rough Rider: ___ 510

Leman Russ: _________ 225
Leman Russ Assault: _ 245
Predator: ___________ 185
Vindicator: _________ 185
Baneblade: __________ 280
Shadowsword: ________ 310
Stormblade: _________ 260
Stormhammer: ________ 350

Artillery: _______ 620
Siege Artillery: _ 400
Rocket: __________ 255

Sky Wolf: _ 605
Airborne: _ 960

_ Special:
Adeptus Mechanicus: ___ 85
Adeptus Psyker: _______ 40
Assassin, Calidus: ____ 70
Assassin, Vindicare: __ 45
Astropath: ____________ 50
Confessor: ____________ 95
Forward Observer: ____ 115
Grey Knight: _________ 230
Inquisitor: __________ 210
Ordo-Malleus Inqstr: _ 150
Battilion Command: ____ 70
Regimental Command: __ 110

Capitol Imprls, Behemoth: _ 1185
Capitol Imprls, Volcano: __ 1200
Imperial Dropship: _________ 700
Leviathan: _________________ 965
AMO Armageddon: ____________ 525
AMO Golgotha: ______________ 605
AMO Mars: __________________ 795
Warhound +2W: ______________ 545
Reaver +3W: ________________ 635
Warlord +4W: _______________ 700

_ Support:
Assault: ________ 65
Beastman: ______ 105
Engineer: _______ 55
Heavy: __________ 40
Ogryn: __________ 95
Ratling: _______ 265
Storm Trooper: _ 145
Tactical: _______ 40

Airborne: _______________ 325
Gorgon Assault: _________ 120
Gorgon Tactical: _________ 85
Mech Assault Chimedon: __ 125
Mech Assault Chimera: ___ 120
Mech Assault Chimerax: __ 120
Mech Assault Chimerro: __ 120
Mech Heavy Chimedon: ____ 100
Mech Heavy Chimera: ______ 90
Mech Heavy Chimerax: _____ 95
Mech Heavy Chimerro: _____ 95
Mech Tactical Chimedon: __ 85
Mech Tactical Chimera: ___ 75
Mech Tactical Chimerax: __ 80
Mech Tactical Chimerro: __ 80
Mole: ____________________ 80
Termite: _________________ 80

Imperial Bike: _ 85
Land Speeder: _ 165
LS Tornado: ___ 165
LS Typhoon: ___ 165
Rough Rider: __ 125

Robot: ___ 190
Sentinel: _ 90

Artillery Tractor: _ 40
Bridging Team: _____ 35
Chimera: ___________ 65
Chimedon: _________ 110
Chimerax: _________ 100
Chimerro: _________ 105
Demolisher: ________ 95
Destroyer: _________ 75
Hellhound: _________ 80
Hydra: _____________ 90
Leman Russ: ________ 90
LR Conquerer: ______ 95
LR Executioner: ___ 100
LR Exterminator: ___ 95
LR Vanquisher: ____ 105
Predator: __________ 75
Sabre: _____________ 55
Scorpion AA: _______ 15
Thunderer: _________ 85
Vindicator: ________ 75

Mole Mortar: _ 30
Rapier: _______ 5
Tarantula: ___ 30
Thudd Gun: ___ 25

Basilisk: __________ 230
Bombard: ___________ 355
Deathstrike: varies, choose 3
_Barrage each: ______ 20
_Harpoon each: ______ 15
_Warp Missile each: _ 20
Griffon: ____________ 85
Manticore: _________ 100
Medusa: _____________ 65
Whirlwind: __________ 75

Lightning Attack: ___ 680
Lightning Strike: ___ 430
Marauder Bomber: ____ 360
Marauder Destroyer: _ 400
Thunderbolt: ________ 480
Valkyre: ____________ 320
Vulture: ____________ 245

Baneblade: ___ 140
Shadowsword: _ 155
Stormblade: __ 130
Stormhammer: _ 180
Stormsword: __ 140

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:43 am 
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Updated Imperial Dropship value

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:17 pm 
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Updated Hydra as per errata.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:19 pm 
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Updated values as per tweak run 2 (reducing cost of saves, increasing cost of weapons).

This post is just and specifically the formations as listed in the Adeptus Militaris pdf, with a few slightly expanded entries. Expanded formations are in the next post.

All Command Rhino replaced with Command Chimera, except with Storm Trooper formations.

_ Imperial Guard Formations

_ Company Formations:
Tactical: ______ 257
Assault: _______ 320
Heavy: _________ 263
Storm Trooper: _ 522
Abhuman: _______ 432

Mechanized Tactical:
_ Chimera __ 321
_ Chimedon _ 365
_ Chimerax _ 331
_ Chimerro _ 341
Mechanized Assault:
_ Chimera __ 454
_ Chimedon _ 498
_ Chimerax _ 464
_ Chimerro _ 474
Gorgon Tactical: _____ 381
Gorgon Assault: ______ 504
Mole: ________________ 351
Hellbore: ____________ 747

Imperial Bike: _ 279
Land Speeder: __ 542
Rough Rider: ___ 456

Leman Russ: _________ 241
Leman Russ Assault: _ 272
Predator: ___________ 202
Vindicator: _________ 192
Baneblade: __________ 330
Shadowsword: ________ 417
Stormblade: _________ 315
Stormhammer: ________ 394

Artillery: _______ 842
Siege Artillery: _ 536
Rocket: __________ 293

Sky Wolf: _ 592
Airborne: _ 970

_ Special:
Adeptus Mechanicus ____ 86
Adeptus Psyker ________ 43
Assassin, Calidus: ____ 71
Assassin, Vindicare: __ 47
Astropath _____________ 51
Confessor _____________ 96
Forward Observer _____ 107
Grey Knight: _________ 231
Inquisitor ___________ 213
Ordo-Malleus Inqstr __ 151
Battilion Command _____ 73
Regimental Command ___ 113

Capitol Imprls, Behemoth: _ 1096
Capitol Imprls, Volcano: __ 1157
Imperial Dropship: _________ 704
Leviathan: ________________ 1038
AMO Armageddon: ____________ 600
AMO Golgotha: ______________ 677
AMO Mars: __________________ 953
Warhound +2W: ______________ 521
Reaver +3W: ________________ 582
Warlord +4W: _______________ 643

_ Support Formations

Assault ________ 62
Beastmen ______ 104
Engineer _______ 51
Heavy __________ 54
Ogryn __________ 91
Ratling _______ 266
Storm Trooper _ 143
Tactical _______ 40

_ Mechanized:
Airborne _______ 327
Gorgon Assault _ 106
Gorgon Tactical _ 73
Mechanized Assault:
_ Chimera __ 113
_ Chimedon _ 130
_ Chimerax _ 118
_ Chimerro _ 122
Mechanized Heavy:
_ Chimera __ 104
_ Chimedon _ 121
_ Chimerax _ 109
_ Chimerro _ 113
Mechanized Tactical:
_ Chimera __ 74
_ Chimedon _ 91
_ Chimerax _ 79
_ Chimerro _ 83
Mole ____________ 81
Termite _________ 73

Imperial Bike: _ 79
Land Speeder: _ 171
LS Tornado: ___ 166
LS Typhoon: ___ 167
Rough Rider: __ 116

Robot: ___ 196
Sentinel: _ 90

Artillery Tractor: _ 38
Bridging Team: _____ 34
Chimera ____________ 60
Chimedon __________ 116
Chimerax ___________ 96
Chimerro __________ 102
Demolisher: ________ 92
Destroyer: _________ 85
Hellhound: _________ 84
Hydra: ____________ 143
Leman Russ: _______ 101
LR Conquerer: _____ 103
LR Executioner: ___ 119
LR Exterminator: __ 104
LR Vanquisher: ____ 125
Predator: __________ 83
Sabre: _____________ 56
Scorpion AA: _______ 35
Thunderer: ________ 101
Vindicator: ________ 80

Mole Mortar: _ 45
Rapier: ______ 11
Tarantula: ___ 69
Thudd Gun: ___ 38

Basilisk: __________ 319
Bombard: ___________ 510
Deathstrike: varies, choose 3
_Barrage each: ______ 26
_Harpoon each: ______ 16
_Warp Missile each: _ 28
Griffon: ___________ 109
Manticore: _________ 125
Medusa: _____________ 92
Whirlwind: __________ 85

Lightning Attack: ___ 679
Lightning Strike: ___ 438
Marauder Bomber: ____ 396
Marauder Destroyer: _ 457
Thunderbolt: ________ 487
Valkyrie ____________ 320
Vulture: ____________ 241

Baneblade: ___ 173
Shadowsword: _ 212
Stormblade: __ 164
Stormhammer: _ 208
Stormsword: __ 173

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For people who would like more options with their Infantry formations for NetEpic Gold Imperial Guard, I present the following expanded set of formations. All of these are based on existing formations so are not really new formations as such, just new ways to organize the formations. These entries include all of the Infantry formations above as well. All formations here that are not in the Adeptus Militaris pdf should be considered optional and require the consent of all players to use. However, since their costs are based on the formula, they *should* all be reasonably balanced.

Note that I use many abbreviations in the following entries. Some of these are the same as ones from the Adeptus Militaris pdf and some are new. All of the new ones are used for the detachments of Company formations. Refer to the Support formations (in the next post - this one was too long) for what these mean.

_Formation Name _____ BP _ Morale _ VP _ Cost _ Contents

__ Company:

_ Tactical Legions:
Footslogger ___________ 16+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 214 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TLF; Commissar stand
Standard Chimera ______ 17+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 257 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TLF; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Standard Rhino ________ 17+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 255 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TLF; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Chimera ____ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 432 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TLC; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Mechanized Chimedon ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 503 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 TLD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon
Mechanized Chimerax ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 451 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 TLX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax
Mechanized Chimerro ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 467 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 TLO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro
Mechanized Rhino ______ 24+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 413 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TLR; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Gorgon _____ 20+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 471 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 TLG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon
Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 24+1 _ 3 __ 9+1 __ 970 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 TLV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie
Mechanized Termite ____ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 426 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TLT; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Mole _______ 18+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 351 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TLM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Hellbore _ 16+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 747 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TLF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter)

_ Tactical Platoons:
Footslogger ___________ 10+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 175 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TPF; Commissar stand
Standard Chimera ______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 219 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TPF; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Standard Rhino ________ 11+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 217 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TPF; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Chimera ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 321 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TPC; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Mechanized Chimedon ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 365 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 TPD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon
Mechanized Chimerax ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 331 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 TPX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax
Mechanized Chimerro ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 341 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 TPO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro
Mechanized Rhino ______ 15+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 319 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TPR; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Gorgon _____ 12+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 422 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 TPG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon
Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 6+1 __ 752 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 TPV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie
Mechanized Termite ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 315 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TPT; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Mole _______ 12+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 313 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TPM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Hellbore _ 10+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 708 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TPF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter)

_ Tactical Squads:
Footslogger ____________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 119 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TSF; Commissar stand
Standard Chimera _______ 9+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 212 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TSF; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Standard Rhino _________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 211 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TSF; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Chimera ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 320 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TSC; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Mechanized Chimedon ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 366 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 TSD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon
Mechanized Chimerax ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 330 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 TSX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax
Mechanized Chimerro ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 341 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 TSO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro
Mechanized Rhino ______ 14+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 308 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TSR; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Gorgon _____ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 381 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 TSG; Commissar
Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 14+1 _ 3 __ 7+1 __ 765 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 TSV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie
Mechanized Termite ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 314 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TST; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Mole _______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 219 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TSM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Hellbore __ 9+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 705 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TSF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter)

_ Assault Platoons:
Footslogger ___________ 10+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 308 _ 2 ACHQ, 3 APF; Commissar stand
Standard Chimera ______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 359 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 APF; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Standard Rhino ________ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 357 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 APF; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Chimera ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 454 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 APC; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Mechanized Chimedon ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 498 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 APD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon
Mechanized Chimerax ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 464 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 APX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax
Mechanized Chimerro ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 474 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 APO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro
Mechanized Rhino ______ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 452 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 APR; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Gorgon _____ 12+1 _ 4 __ 5+1 __ 555 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 APG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon
Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 8+1 __ 895 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 APV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie
Mechanized Termite ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 449 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Termite, 3 APT; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Mole _______ 12+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 446 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Termite, 3 APM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Hellbore _ 10+1+1 _ 4 _ 2+1+6 _ 842 _ 2 ACHQ, 3 APF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter)

_ Assault Squads:
Footslogger ____________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 207 _ 2 ACHQ, 3 ASF; Commissar stand
Standard Chimera _______ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 320 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 ASF; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Standard Rhino _________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 319 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 ASF; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Chimera ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 442 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 ASC; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Mechanized Chimedon ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 488 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 ASD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon
Mechanized Chimerax ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 452 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 ASX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax
Mechanized Chimerro ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 463 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 ASO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro
Mechanized Rhino ______ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 430 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 ASR; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Gorgon _____ 11+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 504 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 ASG; Commissar
Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 14+1 _ 3 __ 8+1 __ 895 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 ASV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie
Mechanized Termite ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 436 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Termite, 3 AST; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Mole _______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 343 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Termite, 3 ASM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Hellbore __ 9+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 741 _ 2 ACHQ, 3 ASF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter)

_ Heavy Platoons:
Footslogger ___________ 10+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 248 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 HPF; Commissar stand
Standard Chimera ______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 295 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 HPF; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Standard Rhino ________ 11+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 294 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 HPF; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Chimera ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 394 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 HPC; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Mechanized Chimedon ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 438 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 HPD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon
Mechanized Chimerax ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 404 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 HPX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax
Mechanized Chimerro ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 414 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 HPO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro
Mechanized Rhino ______ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 392 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 HPR; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Gorgon _____ 12+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 494 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 HPG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon
Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 7+1 __ 832 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 HPV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie
Mechanized Termite ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 388 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 HPT; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Mole _______ 12+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 386 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 HPM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Hellbore _ 10+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 781 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 HPF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter)

_ Heavy Squads:
Footslogger ____________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 235 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 HSF; Commissar stand
Standard Chimera _______ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 263 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 HSF; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Standard Rhino _________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 262 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 HSF; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Chimera ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 383 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 HSC; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Mechanized Chimedon ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 429 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 HSD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon
Mechanized Chimerax ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 393 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 HSX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax
Mechanized Chimerro ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 404 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 HSO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro
Mechanized Rhino ______ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 371 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 HSR; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Gorgon _____ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 444 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 HSG; Commissar
Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 14+1 _ 3 __ 7+1 __ 834 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 HSV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie
Mechanized Termite ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 377 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 HST; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Mole _______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 283 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 HSM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Hellbore __ 9+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 769 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 HSF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter)

_ Storm Trooper:
Footslogger ___________ 10+1 _ 3 __ 3+1 __ 378 _ 2 STCHQ, 3 STF; Commissar stand
Standard Chimera ______ 11+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 432 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 STF; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Standard Rhino ________ 11+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 430 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 STF; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Chimera ____ 15+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 524 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 STC; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Mechanized Chimedon ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 5+1 __ 568 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 STD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon
Mechanized Chimerax ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 5+1 __ 534 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 STX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax
Mechanized Chimerro ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 5+1 __ 544 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 STO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro
Mechanized Rhino ______ 15+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 522 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 STR; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Gorgon _____ 12+1 _ 3 __ 5+1 __ 625 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 STG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon
Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 8+1 __ 949 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 STV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie
Mechanized Termite ____ 15+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 518 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 STT; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Mole _______ 12+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 516 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 STM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Hellbore _ 10+1+1 _ 3 _ 3+1+6 _ 911 _ 2 STCHQ, 3 STF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter)

_ Beastmen:
Footslogger ___________ 16+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 214 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 BF; Commissar stand
Standard Chimera ______ 17+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 257 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 BF; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Standard Rhino ________ 17+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 255 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 BF; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Chimera ____ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 432 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 BC; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Mechanized Chimedon ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 503 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 BD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon
Mechanized Chimerax ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 451 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 BX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax
Mechanized Chimerro ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 467 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 BO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro
Mechanized Rhino ______ 24+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 413 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 BR; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Gorgon _____ 20+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 471 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 BG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon
Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 24+1 _ 3 _ 10+1 _ 1157 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 BV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie
Mechanized Termite ____ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 426 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 BT; Commissar & Cm Termite
Mechanized Mole _______ 18+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 351 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 BM; Commissar & Cm Termite
Mechanized Hellbore _ 16+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 747 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 BF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera

_ Engineer:
Footslogger ____________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 229 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 EF; Commissar stand
Standard Chimera _______ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 257 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 EF; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Standard Rhino _________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 256 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 EF; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Chimera ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 376 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 EC; Commissar & Cm Chimera
Mechanized Chimedon ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 422 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 ED; Commissar & Cm Chimedon
Mechanized Chimerax ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 387 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 EX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax
Mechanized Chimerro ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 398 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 EO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro
Mechanized Rhino ______ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 364 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 ER; Commissar & Cm Rhino
Mechanized Gorgon _____ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 438 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 EG; Commissar
Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 14+1 _ 3 __ 7+1 __ 827 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 EV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie
Mechanized Termite ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 371 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 ET; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Mole _______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 277 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 EM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter)
Mechanized Hellbore __ 9+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 762 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 EF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter)

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