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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Orks
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:24 am 
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Updated values for tweak2.

Model: Tweak 2
_ Ork models:
Freebooterz Kaptin: _28
Freebooterz Boyz: ___ 3
Mekboy: ____________ 49
Mega-Gargant Kaptin: 66
Painboy: ___________ 43
Runtherd: __________ 41
Stormboy Kaptin: ___ 45
Warboss: ___________ 88
Warlord: __________ 115
Weirdboy: _________ 190.2
Weirdboy Minder: ___ 13

Bad Moon Boyz: ____ 17
Blood Axe Boyz: ___ 13
BA Kommando Kaptin: 60.5
BA Kommando: ______ 43
Deathskull Boyz: __ 13
Deathskull Shoota:_ 22
Evil Sunz Boyz: ___ 13
Goff Boyz: ________ 23
Gretchin: __________ 1.9
Madboyz: __________ 13
Nobz: _____________ 79
Riggerz: __________ 16
Snakebite Boyz: ___ 18
Stormboyz: ________ 21
Wildboyz: _________ 21

Bikeboyz: ______ 36.68
Nobz Warbike: _ 113.5
Boarboyz SN: ___ 32.68

Killer Dreadnought: _______ 26
Dreadnought, Onslaughter: _ 45
Tinbot MK: ________________ 32

Battlewagon: __________________ 35.5 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ 53.75 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ 45.5 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ 74 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Bonebreaka: ___________________ 64.5
Bonecruncha: __________________ 59
Bowelburna ES: ________________ 63.97
Braincrusha: __________________ 47
Copter: _______________________ 59
Cyberwyvern SN: _______________ 65
Doomdiver MagnaKannon MK: _____ 65
Flakwagon MK: _________________ 42
Gobsmasha ES: _________________ 18
Gutrippa G: ___________________ 53
Land Raider BA: _______________ 65.51 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Lungbursta G: _________________ 44
Rhino BA: _____________________ 26.89 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Scorcha: ______________________ 31.44
Spleenrippa ES: _______________ 31.5
Squiggoth: ____________________ 55
Trukk: ________________________ 35.51 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Warbuggy: _____________________ 38 [Transport 1: LA1/0]
Wartrak: ______________________ 34 [Transport 1: LA1/0]
Weirdboy Battletower BM: _____ 210.2

Bubble Chukka Speedsta: _____ 46.6
Destrukta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 91.75
Dragsta: ____________________ 91.6
Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ____ 108.6
Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: ______ 63.1

Field Gun / Hop Splat: _ 18
Lobba: __________________ 9
Shokk Attack Gun MK: ___ 14.2
Zzap Gun: ______________ -3

Pulsa Rokkit MK: __ 74
Squig Katapult: ___ 26.8
Soopa Gun MK: ____ 132
Traktor Kannon: ___ 12

Blasta Bomma: _________ 563.9
Bomma: ________________ 156
Fighta-Bomma MK: ______ 231
Landa: ________________ 102 [Transport 7: I1/1, W1/2]
Supa Trans'ort Rokkit: _ 91.05 [Transport 5: I1/1, W1/2]

Gibletgrinda: _____________ 179.3 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: _ 205.4
Mega-Squiggoth: ___________ 430.3
Skullhamma: _______________ 139.9 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Stompa: ___________________ 127.1
Super Stompa: _____________ 171.1

Mekboy Gargant hull: _ 390.5
Slasha Gargant hull: _ 463
Great Gargant hull: __ 634.8
Mega-Gargant: _______ 1318

Note that Mekboy Gargants now must purchase two arm weapons instead of having a fixed cost. See below for list.

Formations (default BP 100%)
_ Company
Bad Moon Clan: ___ 316
Blood Axe Clan: __ 346
Deathskull Clan: _ 291
Evil Sunz Clan: __ 319
Goff Clan: _______ 558
Snakebite Clan: __ 371
Kult of Speed: ___ 542
Wildboyz Horde: __ 449
Mega-Gargant: ___ 1660

_ Special
Blasta Bomma: ______________ 632
Freebooterz: ________________ 25
Gretchin Horde: ______________ 6
Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: __ 206
Landa Mob: _________________ 444
Mekboy: _____________________ 57
Painboy: ____________________ 50
Renegade Mekboyz: varies, any 8 of
_ Bubble Chukka: _______________ 37 each
_ Destruckta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 73 each
_ Dragsta: _____________________ 73 each
_ Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ______ 86 each
_ Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: _______ 50 each
Runtherd: ___________________ 46
Supa Trans'ort Rokkit Mob: _ 404
Warboss: ___________________ 426
Warlord & Stompa: __________ 712
Weirdboy & Minderz: ________ 139
Mekboy Gargant hull: _______ 437 +2 weapons
Slasha Gargant hull: _______ 519 +2 weapons
Great Gargant hull: ________ 711 +2 weapons
Gargant Big Mob: varies

any Warboss or Warlord formation may upgrade to:
Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ +26
Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ +14
Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ +54


_ Support
Extra Bad Moon Boyz: ___ 30
Extra Blood Axe Boyz: __ 23
Extra Deathskull Boyz: _ 23
Extra Evil Sunz: _______ 33 [3 Boyz, 1 Battlewagon]
Extra Evil Sunz Boyz: __ 23 [4 Boyz]
Extra Goff Boyz: _______ 40
Extra Snakebite Boyz: __ 32
Extra Nobz: ___________ 221
BA Kommandos: _________ 151
DS Shoota: _____________ 39
Gretchin Mob: ___________ 3
Madmob: ________________ 36
Stormboyz Korps: _______ 88
Wildmob: _______________ 37

Bikeboyz Mob: _____ 97
ES Nobz Warbike: _ 477
Sn Boarboyz Mob: __ 86

Killa Kan Mob: ___ 46
Onslaughter Mob: _ 79
Tinbot Mob: _____ 118

BM Weirdboy Battletower: _ 185
Battlewagon: ______________ 62
BA Land Raider: __________ 115
BA Rhino: _________________ 47
Bonebreaka: ______________ 114
Bonecruncha: _____________ 104
Braincrusha: ______________ 83
Copter: __________________ 177
Doomdiver AA: _____________ 57
ES Bowelburna: ___________ 113
ES Gobsmasha: _____________ 48
ES Spleenrippa: ___________ 55
Flakwagon AA: _____________ 74
Gf Gutrippa: ______________ 93
Gf Lungbursta: ____________ 77
Scorcha: __________________ 55
Sn Cyberwyvern: __________ 172
Sn Squiggoth: _____________ 97
Trukk: ____________________ 94
Warbuggy: ________________ 100
Wartrak: __________________ 90

MK Bubble Chukka: _____________ 41
MK Destrukta Rokkit Speedsta: _ 81
MK Dragsta: ___________________ 81
MK Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ____ 96
MK Lifta-Droppa: ______________ 56

Hop-Splat: ________ 48
Lobba: ____________ 24
Skokk Attack Gun: _ 25
Zzap Gun: __________ 0 (-8)

Pulsa Rokkit: _____ 130
Sn Squig Katapult: _ 47
Soopa Gun: ________ 145
Traktor Kannon: ____ 32

Bomma: _________________ 302
Fighta-Bomma: __________ 447
Landa: __________________ 99
Supa Rokkit Trans'ort: _ 112

Gibletgrinda: ___ 251
Mega-Squiggoth: _ 379
Skullhamma: _____ 196
Stompaz: ________ 313
Supa Stompa: ____ 211

_ Mekboy Gargant Weapons:
Buzz Saw Arm: ________ 4
Krusher Arm: _________ 3
Kustom Kannon: ______ 63
Super-Lifta Droppa: _ 95

_ Gargant Weapons: ___ uses __ cost _ cost with Observation Turret
Battle Cannon Head _____ G ____ 34 ___ 42
Battle Cannon Turret ___ G ____ 13 ___ 16
Cluster Buster _________ S ____ 38
Deth Kannon ____________ S ____ 90
Flak Kannon ____________ G,S __ 22
Gatling Cannon _________ G ____ 45 ___ 56
Gork Head Traktor Kannon G,S __ 45 ___ 56
Gutbuster, Augmented ___ G ____ 97 __ 121
Gutbuster ______________ G,S __ 69 ___ 86
Magna Kannon ___________ G,S _ 269 __ 336
Magnum Mega-Cannon _____ G ____ 48 ___ 60
Mork Head with Scorcher_ G,S __ 40 ___ 50
Observation Turret _____ G _____ 0 plus alters cost of other weapons
Ripper Fist ____________ G,S __ 14
Scorcher Turret ________ G ____ 12 ___ 15
Slasha Attack Gun ______ S ____ 63
Snapper ________________ G,S _ 200
Super Lifta-Droppa _____ G ____ 95 __ 118

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Orks
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:48 am 
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Updated values for Tweak 3:
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Model: Tweak 3
_ Ork models:
Freebooterz Kaptin: _22
Freebooterz Boyz: ___ 5.25
Mekboy: ____________ 39.75
Mega-Gargant Kaptin: 46.5
Painboy: ___________ 33.75
Runtherd: __________ 31.75
Stormboy Kaptin: ___ 35.13
Warboss: ___________ 63.63
Warlord: ___________ 80.88
Weirdboy: _________ 190.7
Weirdboy Minder: ___ 10.25

Bad Moon Boyz: ____ 14.25
Blood Axe Boyz: ___ 10.25
BA Kommando Kaptin: 46.38
BA Kommando: ______ 33.75
Deathskull Boyz: __ 10.25
Deathskull Shoota:_ 22.5
Evil Sunz Boyz: ___ 10.25
Goff Boyz: ________ 13.75
Gretchin: __________ 5.65
Madboyz: __________ 10.25
Nobz: _____________ 59.5
Riggerz: __________ 13.25
Snakebite Boyz: ___ 12
Stormboyz: ________ 17.63
Wildboyz: _________ 11.75

Bikeboyz: ______ 36.68
Nobz Warbike: _ 109
Boarboyz SN: ___ 31.68

Killer Dreadnought: _______ 26
Dreadnought, Onslaughter: _ 43
Tinbot MK: ________________ 31

Battlewagon: __________________ 42 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ 60.25 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ 52 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ 80.5 [Transport 3: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Bonebreaka: ___________________ 76.5
Bonecruncha: __________________ 71
Bowelburna ES: ________________ 70.22
Braincrusha: __________________ 52.25
Copter: _______________________ 64.5
Cyberwyvern SN: _______________ 73.75
Doomdiver MagnaKannon MK: _____ 70
Flakwagon MK: _________________ 48.5
Gobsmasha ES: _________________ 22.75
Gutrippa G: ___________________ 65
Land Raider BA: _______________ 75.76 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Lungbursta G: _________________ 50.75
Rhino BA: _____________________ 31.64 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Scorcha: ______________________ 37.69
Spleenrippa ES: _______________ 36
Squiggoth: ____________________ 69.25
Trukk: ________________________ 40.01 [Transport 2: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Warbuggy: _____________________ 46 [Transport 1: LA1/0]
Wartrak: ______________________ 40.25 [Transport 1: LA1/0]
Weirdboy Battletower BM: _____ 216.7

Bubble Chukka Speedsta: ______ 54.5
Destrukta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 101.2
Dragsta: _____________________ 99
Kustom Kannon Speedsta: _____ 118
Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: _______ 71.25

Field Gun / Hop Splat: _ 28.5
Lobba: _________________ 19.25
Shokk Attack Gun MK: ___ 17.95
Zzap Gun: _______________ 7

Pulsa Rokkit MK: __ 79.75
Squig Katapult: ___ 33.8
Soopa Gun MK: ____ 138
Traktor Kannon: ___ 17.25

Blasta Bomma: _________ 434.9
Bomma: ________________ 152.5
Fighta-Bomma MK: ______ 227.3
Landa: ________________ 108 [Transport 7: I1/1, W1/2]
Supa Trans'ort Rokkit: _ 89.55 [Transport 5: I1/1, W1/2]

Gibletgrinda: _____________ 190.5 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: _ 224.4
Mega-Squiggoth: ___________ 445
Skullhamma: _______________ 137.8 [Transport 5: I1/1, LA1/0, W1/2]
Stompa: ___________________ 142.6
Super Stompa: _____________ 190.1

Mekboy Gargant hull: _ 305.5
Slasha Gargant hull: _ 400
Great Gargant hull: __ 559.8
Mega-Gargant: _______ 1626

Note that Mekboy Gargants now must purchase two arm weapons instead of having a fixed cost. See below for list.

Formations (default BP 100%)
_ Company
Bad Moon Clan: ___ 311
Blood Axe Clan: __ 381
Deathskull Clan: _ 283
Evil Sunz Clan: __ 343
Goff Clan: _______ 528
Snakebite Clan: __ 370
Kult of Speed: ___ 721
Wildboyz Horde: __ 294
Mega-Gargant: ___ 2049

_ Special
Blasta Bomma: ______________ 487
Freebooterz: ________________ 30
Gretchin Horde: _____________ 17
Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon: __ 238
Landa Mob: _________________ 418
Mekboy: _____________________ 58
Painboy: ____________________ 51
Renegade Mekboyz: varies, any 8 of
_ Bubble Chukka: _______________ 38 each
_ Destruckta Rokkits Speedsta: _ 71 each
_ Dragsta: _____________________ 70 each
_ Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ______ 83 each
_ Lifta-Droppa Speedsta: _______ 50 each
Runtherd: ___________________ 36
Supa Trans'ort Rokkit Mob: _ 353
Warboss: ___________________ 336
Warlord & Stompa: __________ 660
Weirdboy & Minderz: ________ 136
Mekboy Gargant hull: _______ 342 +2 weapons
Slasha Gargant hull: _______ 448 +2 weapons
Great Gargant hull: ________ 627 +2 weapons
Gargant Big Mob: varies

any Warboss or Warlord formation may upgrade to:
Battlewagon Blastakannon: _____ +55
Battlewagon Double Kannon: ____ +42
Battlewagon Missile Launcher: _ +88


_ Support
Extra Bad Moon Boyz: ___ 26
Extra Blood Axe Boyz: __ 19
Extra Deathskull Boyz: _ 19
Extra Evil Sunz: _______ 42 [3 Boyz, 1 Battlewagon]
Extra Evil Sunz Boyz: __ 19 [4 Boyz]
Extra Goff Boyz: _______ 25
Extra Snakebite Boyz: __ 22
Extra Nobz: ___________ 242
BA Kommandos: _________ 117
DS Shoota: _____________ 42
Gretchin Mob: __________ 10
Madmob: ________________ 32
Stormboyz Korps: _______ 62
Wildmob: _______________ 22

Bikeboyz Mob: _____ 97
ES Nobz Warbike: _ 580
Sn Boarboyz Mob: __ 84

Killa Kan Mob: ___ 48
Onslaughter Mob: _ 79
Tinbot Mob: _____ 145

BM Weirdboy Battletower: _ 191
Battlewagon: ______________ 73
BA Land Raider: __________ 131
BA Rhino: _________________ 55
Bonebreaka: ______________ 132
Bonecruncha: _____________ 123
Braincrusha: ______________ 90
Copter: __________________ 194
Doomdiver AA: _____________ 62
ES Bowelburna: ___________ 121
ES Gobsmasha: _____________ 60
ES Spleenrippa: ___________ 62
Flakwagon AA: _____________ 84
Gf Gutrippa: _____________ 112
Gf Lungbursta: ____________ 88
Scorcha: __________________ 65
Sn Cyberwyvern: __________ 195
Sn Squiggoth: ____________ 120
Trukk: ___________________ 106
Warbuggy: ________________ 121
Wartrak: _________________ 106

MK Bubble Chukka: _____________ 48
MK Destrukta Rokkit Speedsta: _ 89
MK Dragsta: ___________________ 87
MK Kustom Kannon Speedsta: ___ 104
MK Lifta-Droppa: ______________ 63

Hop-Splat: ________ 75
Lobba: ____________ 51
Skokk Attack Gun: _ 33
Zzap Gun: _________ 18

Pulsa Rokkit: _____ 138
Sn Squig Katapult: _ 58
Soopa Gun: ________ 152
Traktor Kannon: ____ 46

Bomma: _________________ 290
Fighta-Bomma: __________ 432
Landa: _________________ 105
Supa Rokkit Trans'ort: _ 110

Gibletgrinda: ___ 267
Mega-Squiggoth: _ 392
Skullhamma: _____ 193
Stompaz: ________ 416
Supa Stompa: ____ 234

_ Mekboy Gargant Weapons:
Buzz Saw Arm: _______ 28
Krusher Arm: _________ 3
Kustom Kannon: ______ 63
Super-Lifta Droppa: _ 95

_ Gargant Weapons: ___ uses __ cost _ cost with Observation Turret
Battle Cannon Head _____ G ____ 34 ___ 42
Battle Cannon Turret ___ G ____ 13 ___ 16
Cluster Buster _________ S ____ 38
Deth Kannon ____________ S ____ 90
Flak Kannon ____________ G,S __ 22
Gatling Cannon _________ G ____ 45 ___ 56
Gork Head Traktor Kannon G,S __ 45 ___ 56
Gutbuster, Augmented ___ G ____ 97 __ 121
Gutbuster ______________ G,S __ 69 ___ 86
Magna Kannon ___________ G,S _ 269 __ 336
Magnum Mega-Cannon _____ G ____ 48 ___ 60
Mork Head with Scorcher_ G,S __ 40 ___ 50
Observation Turret _____ G _____ 0 plus alters cost of other weapons
Ripper Fist ____________ G,S __ 14
Scorcher Turret ________ G ____ 12 ___ 15
Slasha Attack Gun ______ S ____ 63
Snapper ________________ G,S _ 170
Super Lifta-Droppa _____ G ____ 95 __ 118

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Orks
PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:31 pm 
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Updated OP with current costs.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Orks
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:23 am 
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OP updated for Template adjustments.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Orks
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 4:29 pm 
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OP updated. I found an error with the Move value for Transport cost with the following models: Trukk, Warbuggy, Wartrak, Skullhamma. These are now corrected.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Orks
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 7:58 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Orks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:52 am 
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OP updated to V0.33.

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Orks
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:39 am 
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OP updated to V0.34.

Oddly, the Mekboy Gargant went up a small amount, the Slasha stayed exactly the same, the Great went down a bit, and the Mega went down a lot.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:49 pm 
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MagnusIlluminus wrote:
OP updated to V0.34.

Oddly, the Mekboy Gargant went up a small amount, the Slasha stayed exactly the same, the Great went down a bit, and the Mega went down a lot.


Hi!

It would seem that the trend is as the number of hit location boxes increases the new cost decreases. So perhaps the template for the mekboy is such a small number of hit location boxes it actually goes up.

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The Mekboy Gargant also has more bits sticking off while the others are just great gobs of locations. Rather like the Capitol Imperialis.

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Hi!

The only two things that jump out at me for a further look at are the Goffik wagon and the snapper weapon for gargants. Both seem rather high in cost for what they normally can achieve.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:45 am 
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I find it odd that you think that the Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon formation seems overpriced now, as it is about 3/4ths of what it cost under Gold. Still, let's look at it.

The Wagon itself is a Super Heavy, thus base cost is 10.
Terrain Access cost is 1.75; Move of 10cm costs 2, and mods are 1 so Move value is 3.5 (1.75 *2 *1)
It has a 1+ Armor Save and is Super Heavy, so cost here is 27 (6 *1.5 *3)
CAF is +10 so value here is 97.5 ((10 +1.75 +2 +1 -5) *10)
Weapons cost a total of 45.75:
_ Kannonz cost 12 (base *3 shots *50cm *5+ *-1 = 2 *3 *1 *1 *2 =12)
_ Sound Blaster costs 33.75 (template *4+ *-1 *special *single shot = 15 *1.5 *2 *1.5 *0.5 = 33.75)
[error: the modifier here for single-shot should be 0.2 not 0.5. I'm also thinking that the modifier for the Special - that surviving models are unable to act next turn (including Titans) - is under priced at 1.5.]
Special Abilities cost is 49.05
_ PD4 is 4.05
_ 1d3 Power Fields is 10 (5 per, average of 2)
_ Ork models within 6cm gain a Psychic Save of 4+ (10)
_ Weirdboyz within 6cm gain +2d6 points but explode on 5+ (10)
_ Ork Mobz with a model within 6cm are immune to Morale effects, gains CAF +1, and takes -1 to all to hit rolls (25)
_ If wagon is destroyed, all Ork models within 6cm take a Morale check or go Frenzy (10)
Thus model cost is 10 +3.5 +27 +97.5 + 46 +49.05 = 232.8

Formation costs:
_ It's Morale score of -- adjusts it by *1.4 for a value of 325.92.
_ As it is not a Command model or Independent it is subject to the Ork Command rules and thus is adjusted by *0.8. As it would share whatever default Instinctive behavior as the Clan it is attached to, it is also adjusted by *1.1 due to better than standard Instinctive behavior. These bring the model value to 286.81. _ The formation also includes a detachment of 5 bouncer Boyz (same stats as Goff; cost 12.98 each after Ork Command and Instinctive adjustments), but these are irrelevant for Break Point, so they are added in as half their Morale adjustment (0.35 as half of 0.7 for Morale of --). This brings the final formation cost to 247.62, which rounds to 248.
[Another error here. The bouncer boys have a Morale score of 4, as Goff boyz do, so they should be added at 0.15 instead of 0.35.]

Fixing the errors with the Sound Blaster and the bouncer boys alters:

_ Sound Blaster costs 27 (template *4+ *-1 *special *single shot = 15 *1.5 *2 *3 *0.2 = 27)
Model cost is thus 226.05

Formation cost is 230.583 with bouncer boyz value adjusted, rounds to 231.

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The Snapper Gargant weapon does have a big error. It appears that when I changed the way that the CAF was calculated for the other factions' Titan weapons, I forgot to update the Gargant weapons. This also affects the Ripper Fist. Though, curiously, the Mekboy Buzz Saw Arm is using the correct calculation. I'll post more details on these in a bit.

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MagnusIlluminus wrote:
I find it odd that you think that the Goffik Rokker Tour Wagon formation seems overpriced now, as it is about 3/4ths of what it cost under Gold. Still, let's look at it.

The Wagon itself is a Super Heavy, thus base cost is 10.
Terrain Access cost is 1.75; Move of 10cm costs 2, and mods are 1 so Move value is 3.5 (1.75 *2 *1)
It has a 1+ Armor Save and is Super Heavy, so cost here is 27 (6 *1.5 *3)
CAF is +10 so value here is 97.5 ((10 +1.75 +2 +1 -5) *10)
Weapons cost a total of 45.75:
_ Kannonz cost 12 (base *3 shots *50cm *5+ *-1 = 2 *3 *1 *1 *2 =12)
_ Sound Blaster costs 33.75 (template *4+ *-1 *special *single shot = 15 *1.5 *2 *1.5 *0.5 = 33.75)
[error: the modifier here for single-shot should be 0.2 not 0.5. I'm also thinking that the modifier for the Special - that surviving models are unable to act next turn (including Titans) - is under priced at 1.5.]
Special Abilities cost is 49.05
_ PD4 is 4.05
_ 1d3 Power Fields is 10 (5 per, average of 2)
_ Ork models within 6cm gain a Psychic Save of 4+ (10)
_ Weirdboyz within 6cm gain +2d6 points but explode on 5+ (10)
_ Ork Mobz with a model within 6cm are immune to Morale effects, gains CAF +1, and takes -1 to all to hit rolls (25)
_ If wagon is destroyed, all Ork models within 6cm take a Morale check or go Frenzy (10)
Thus model cost is 10 +3.5 +27 +97.5 + 46 +49.05 = 232.8

Formation costs:
_ It's Morale score of -- adjusts it by *1.4 for a value of 325.92.
_ As it is not a Command model or Independent it is subject to the Ork Command rules and thus is adjusted by *0.8. As it would share whatever default Instinctive behavior as the Clan it is attached to, it is also adjusted by *1.1 due to better than standard Instinctive behavior. These bring the model value to 286.81. _ The formation also includes a detachment of 5 bouncer Boyz (same stats as Goff; cost 12.98 each after Ork Command and Instinctive adjustments), but these are irrelevant for Break Point, so they are added in as half their Morale adjustment (0.35 as half of 0.7 for Morale of --). This brings the final formation cost to 247.62, which rounds to 248.
[Another error here. The bouncer boys have a Morale score of 4, as Goff boyz do, so they should be added at 0.15 instead of 0.35.]

Fixing the errors with the Sound Blaster and the bouncer boys alters:

_ Sound Blaster costs 27 (template *4+ *-1 *special *single shot = 15 *1.5 *2 *3 *0.2 = 27)
Model cost is thus 226.05

Formation cost is 230.583 with bouncer boyz value adjusted, rounds to 231.


Hi!

Looks good. I just wanted to see it through like you did above. Nothing further on this unit. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Points formula values for Orks
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MagnusIlluminus wrote:
The Snapper Gargant weapon does have a big error. It appears that when I changed the way that the CAF was calculated for the other factions' Titan weapons, I forgot to update the Gargant weapons. This also affects the Ripper Fist. Though, curiously, the Mekboy Buzz Saw Arm is using the correct calculation. I'll post more details on these in a bit.


Hi!

Cool!

I'll update the comparisons file as soon as they are available.

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