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Author: | primarch [ Sun May 04, 2014 4:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
The Bissler wrote: Ringo's suggestion seems very sensible although I'm closer to Primarch on this one. I reckon there should be a flat charge for vehicles having the transport ability, not for how many stands they can accommodate. I don't see it as something that makes vehicles more valuable, as I said before, it makes them juicier targets for the enemy, even more so when they carry more than 2 stands. That's a massive disadvantage, and therefore I believe that any charge for the Transport "ability" should be close to negligible. Wouldn't a flat charge for Transport solve a lot of problems? Hi! Another way would be instead of a cost per unit of transport, a cost per a "range" of transport expressed as a flat cost per range. Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon May 05, 2014 6:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
I've been letting all of these suggestions about Transport percolate in my mind for a while. The Bissler makes some very good points, especially that the more models a model carries, the bigger a target it becomes. That had not been taken into consideration when the SA costs list was first formed. I feel that the ability to Transport must have a cost, as otherwise every model could have the ability. Also, @ringo has a good suggestion. Tiers of cost. Thus it seems we need to redefine how the Transport ability is applied when creating a model's stats, and the costs thereof. While my plan here won't be a 'flat' cost as such, it will certainly be flatter. I've also thought of another factor that should modify the cost of Transport. This makes the Transport ability a little more complicated to apply, but will overall cost less, I think. ____________________ Revised Transport: The base cost of Transport is 4 points. For your 4 points that model is allowed to carry 2 squads/stands of Infantry or Light Artillery. Requires Vehicle class or larger. Modifier 1: Move of unit with Transport The standard Move for a unit with Transport is considered to be 20cm (4). For every 5cm above or below this number, the base cost is adjusted by 1 point. Examples: A model with a Move of 25cm would adjust its base cost by +1, and a model with a Move of 10cm would adjust its base cost by -2. Modifier 2: Unitclass _To be able to carry Walker class units, add +2 to base cost. Requires Vehicle class. _To be able to carry Vehicle class units, add another +2 to base cost. Requires Super Heavy class. _To be able to carry Super Heavy class units, add another +2 to base cost. Requires Praetorian class. _To be able to carry Praetorian/Scout Titan class units, add another +2 to base cost. Requires Praetorian class. _To be able to carry Battle Titan class (Reaver, Warlord) class units, add another +2 to base cost. _To be able to carry Imperator or Mega-Gargant class units, add another +2 to base cost. Modifier 3: Capacity _If you really want to only be able to carry 1 squad/stand, the base cost is reduced by -2. _To be able to carry one Detachment's worth of Infantry (typically 6 to 10 squads/stands), apply the base cost again. This should require the model to be Super Heavy or larger. _To be able to carry one Company's worth of Infantry, apply the base cost again. This should require the model to be a Praetorian. _To be able to carry each additional Company, apply the base cost again. _To be able to bypass one required class of vehicle for capacity, apply the base cost again. For example, a Mole can carry one Detachment of Infantry, but is only a Vehicle class model. It would have to apply this adjustment. Adjustments to other Special Abilities: _ The Open Top ability now has zero (0) cost modifier, as it allows the vehicle to carry +50% additional squads/stands, but any hit on the unit will also hit a unit carried. _ The Tow ability is now just a lowest-level use of Transport. That is, the model with Tow may carry one squad/stand of Infantry or Light Artillery for a cost of 2 points, adjusted by Move. __________________ Examples of Transport costs: A Chimera (or variant) can carry 2 squads of Infantry (base 4) and has a Move of 20cm, and can carry Walker, so its base cost for its Transport is 4+0+2=6, for a total cost of 6. A Rhino carries 2 squads of Infantry and has Move of 25cm, and can carry Walker. Thus it's base cost is 4+1+2=7, and the cost of its Transport is 7. A Razorback only carries 1 squad and has Move 25cm. It's base cost is thus 4-2+1=3, for a total cost of 3. A Termite carries 2 Infantry, Moves 15cm. Thus base cost is 4-1=3, for a total cost of 3. A Mole carries 1 Detachment of Infantry, Move of 15cm. Thus base cost is 4-1=3 and total is 3+3+3=9 (base +detachment +ignore unitclass required). A Mole that can carry Walker would be base 5 and total 15. A Valkyrie is Vehicle, carries 2 Infantry, Move 60cm. Base is 4+8=12, for a cost of 12. A Gorgon carries 1 Infantry Detachment, is SH, Move 10cm. Base cost is 4-2=2, for a total of 2+2=4. A Gorgon that can carry Walker would be base 4-2+2=4 and total 4+4=8. A Hellbore is Praetorian, may carry 1 Infantry Company, and Move 15cm. Base is 4-1=3, total is 3+3+3=9 (base +Detachment +Company). A Hellbore that can carry Walker would be base of 5, and total of 15. A Leviathan is Praetorian, may carry 1 Infantry Company, and Move 10cm. Base is 4-2=2, total is 2+2+2=6. An Imperial Dropship is Praetorian, may carry a lot of anything (including an Imperator!), and Move special. Since this enters the board much like Deep Strike but slower, I'm inclined to give that no modifier. Base cost works to 4+12=16, and total to 16+16+16+16+16 (three Companies of Infantry) = 80 (this is still less than it's current value). A Capitol Imperialis is Praetorian, may carry 2 Companies, and Move 10cm. Base is 4-2+6 (up to Super Heavy) = 8, and total cost of 8+8+8+8=32. An Imperator is a Mega-Titan, can carry 1 Infantry Company, and Move 10cm. Base is thus 4-2=2, and total cost is 2+2+2=6. Adjusted unit costs using this would be (also putting Save value back to full for Titans & Praetorians): Chimedon: 57 Chimera: 34.5 Chimera, Command: 54.75 Chimerax: 42 Chimerro: 46.5 Rhino: 31 Razorback: 45 Termite: 28 Termite, Command: 47 Mole: 74 Mole, Walker: 80 Valkyrie: 104 Gorgon: 131.3 Gorgon, Walker: 135.3 Gorgon, Command: 168.9 Gorgon, Command, Walker: 172.9 Hellbore: 467 Hellbore, Walker: 473 Leviathan: 679.3 Imperial Dropship: 505 Capitol Imperialis, Behemoth: 1000 Capitol Imperialis, Volcano: 1352 Imperator: 4565 Reducing the Gorgon's double front armor save's modifier from *2 to *1.5 results in: Gorgon: 113.3 Gorgon, Walker: 117.3 Gorgon, Command: 150.9 Gorgon, Command, Walker: 154.9 |
Author: | The Bissler [ Mon May 05, 2014 7:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
Yes! This looks much better! Thanks Magnus! And sorry to have put you to so much trouble! |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon May 05, 2014 8:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
No worries. Time spent improving the formula is time well spent. |
Author: | primarch [ Mon May 05, 2014 8:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
Hi! Wow! What a difference a little tweaking makes! Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
While doing the Squat list, I discovered what the "stray" *4 modifier was for on the Doom Cannon for the Leviathan. It was for that weapon's Range of 200cm. Thus that modifier has to return. Thus the Leviathan now has a model cost of 955.3 and a formation cost of 1070. This does include the adjustment to Transport cost. |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
Oh wow. I never posted Formation values for Guard. Right, I'll be fixing that shortly. |
Author: | primarch [ Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
Hi! Cool, thanks Magnus! Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
As usual, fixed a few issues and errors, so the "base" values may vary from those above. _ Imperial Guard models __ base _ direct _ template _ ranged _ CAF _ Final Adeptus Mechanicus: _______ 37 ____ 35.5 ___ 37 ____ 35.5 ___ 38 ____ 36.5 Adeptus Psyker: ___________ 32.5 __ 27.63 __ 32.5 __ 27.63 __ 32.5 __ 27.63 Astropath: ________________ 38 ____ 36.5 ___ 38 ____ 36.5 ___ 38 ____ 36.5 Colonel: __________________ 84 ____ 79.5 ___ 84 ____ 79.5 ___ 90 ____ 85.5 Commissar: ________________ 57 ____ 52.5 ___ 57 ____ 52.5 ___ 69 ____ 64.5 Commissar on Bike: ________ 81 ____ 76.5 ___ 81 ____ 76.5 __ 117 ___ 112.5 Commissar on Horse: _______ 69 ____ 64.5 ___ 69 ____ 64.5 ___ 93 ____ 88.5 Commissar on Speeder: ____ 117 ___ 112.5 __ 117 ___ 112.5 __ 165 ___ 160.5 Confessor: ________________ 80 ____ 78.5 ___ 80 ____ 78.5 ___ 83 ____ 81.5 Forward Observer: _________ 48 ____ 46.5 ___ 48 ____ 46.5 ___ 48 ____ 46.5 Grey Knights: ____________ 132.2 _ 113.3 __ 132.2 _ 113.3 __ 141.2 _ 122.3 Inquisitor Squad: ________ 184.8 _ 156.45 _ 184.8 _ 156.45 _ 202.8 _ 174.45 Major: ____________________ 53 ____ 48.5 ___ 53 ____ 48.5 ___ 56 ____ 51.5 Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor: _ 124 ___ 103.75 _ 124 ___ 103.75 _ 142 ___ 121.75 Callidus Assassin: ________ 71 ____ 71 _____ 71 ____ 71 _____ 71 ____ 71 Vindicare Assassin: _______ 51 ____ 45 _____ 51 ____ 45 _____ 51 ____ 45 Sectional HQ (SHQ): _ 10 _____ 10 _____ 10 _____ 10 _____ 10 _____ 10 Company HQ (CHQ): varies _Tactical CHQ: ______ 28 _____ 23.5 ___ 28 _____ 23.5 ___ 28 _____ 23.5 _Assault CHQ: _______ 44 _____ 41.75 __ 44 _____ 41.75 __ 48 _____ 45.75 _Storm Trooper CHQ: _ 46 _____ 41.5 ___ 46 _____ 41.5 ___ 49 _____ 44.5 _Imperial Bike CHQ: _ 43.35 __ 42.34 __ 43.35 __ 42.34 __ 53.35 __ 52.34 _Land Speeder CHQ: __ 92 _____ 78.5 ___ 92 _____ 78.5 __ 113 _____ 99.5 _Rough Rider CHQ: ___ 39.5 ___ 38.38 __ 39.5 ___ 38.38 __ 48.5 ___ 47.38 _Leman Russ CHQ: ___ 110.53 __ 65.13 _ 110.53 __ 65.13 _ 116.53 __ 71.13 _Predator CHQ: _____ 109 _____ 61.75 _ 109 _____ 61.75 _ 109 _____ 61.75 _Vindicator CHQ: ___ 100 _____ 59.5 __ 100 _____ 59.5 __ 100 _____ 59.5 _Baneblade CHQ: ____ 279.75 _ 146.44 _ 279.75 _ 146.44 _ 319.75 _ 186.44 _Shadowsword CHQ: __ 442.15 _ 181 ____ 442.15 _ 181 ____ 472.15 _ 211 _Stormblade CHQ: ___ 295 ____ 144.25 _ 295 ____ 144.25 _ 325 ____ 174.25 _Storm Hammer CHQ: _ 318.35 _ 175.59 _ 318.35 _ 175.59 _ 368.35 _ 225.59 _Valkyrie CHQ: _____ 184 ____ 179.5 __ 178 ____ 173.5 __ 184 ____ 173.5 _Vulture CHQ: ______ 191.4 __ 178.35 _ 191.4 __ 178.35 _ 221.4 __ 208.35 _Chimera, Command: __ 54.75 __ 49.69 __ 54.75 __ 49.69 __ 57.75 __ 52.69 _Chimera, Cm Scout: _ 70.25 __ 65.19 __ 70.25 __ 65.19 __ 73.25 __ 68.19 _Rhino, Command: ____ 51.03 __ 49.51 __ 51.03 __ 49.51 __ 51.03 __ 49.51 _Rhino, Cm Scout: ___ 66.03 __ 64.51 __ 66.03 __ 64.51 __ 66.03 __ 64.51 _Gorgon, Command: __ 150.9 __ 136.73 _ 150.9 __ 136.73 _ 178.9 __ 164.73 _Termite, Command: __ 47 _____ 47 _____ 47 _____ 47 _____ 50 _____ 50 Assault Squad: ________ 19.5 _ 18 ____ 19.5 _ 18 ____ 22 ___ 20.5 Beastmen Squad: _______ 20 ___ 18.5 __ 20 ___ 18.5 __ 23 ___ 21.5 Engineer: _____________ 18 ___ 16.5 __ 18 ___ 16.5 __ 18 ___ 16.5 Heavy Squad: __________ 30 ___ 12 ____ 30 ___ 12 ____ 30 ___ 12 Ogryn Squad: __________ 40.4 _ 38.6 __ 40.4 _ 38.6 __ 46.4 _ 44.6 Ratling Sniper Squad: _ 75 ___ 72.75 _ 75 ___ 72.75 _ 74 ___ 71.75 Storm Trooper Squad: __ 28 ___ 25 ____ 28 ___ 25 ____ 29.5 _ 26.5 Tactical Squad: _______ 10 ____ 7 ____ 10 ____ 7 ____ 10 ____ 7 Rough Rider stand: ____ 21 ____ 20.25 _ 21 ____ 20.25 _ 27 ____ 26.25 Imperial Bike Stand: __ 21.35 _ 20.34 _ 21.35 _ 20.39 _ 29.35 _ 28.34 Land Speeder Tornado: _ 48 ____ 42 ____ 48 ____ 42 ____ 63 ____ 57 Land Speeder Typhoon: _ 46 ____ 46 ____ 43 ____ 43 ____ 61 ____ 58 Land Speeder: _________ 52 ____ 43 ____ 52 ____ 43 ____ 67 ____ 58 Robot: ____ 47 _ 33.5 _ 47 _ 33.5 _ 47 _ 33.5 Sentinel: _ 28 _ 23.5 _ 28 _ 23.5 _ 34 _ 29.5 Artillery Tractor: _______ 20.03 _ 18.51 _ 20 ____ 18.51 _ 20 ____ 18.51 Bridging Vehicle: ________ 32.03 _ 30.51 _ 32 ____ 30.51 _ 32 ____ 30.51 Chimedon: ________________ 57 ____ 36.75 _ 57 ____ 36.75 _ 59 ____ 38.75 Chimera: _________________ 34.5 __ 31.13 _ 34.5 __ 31.13 _ 36.5 __ 33.13 Chimerax: ________________ 42 ____ 33 ____ 42 ____ 33 ____ 44 ____ 35 Chimerro: ________________ 46.5 __ 34.13 _ 46.5 __ 34.13 _ 48.5 __ 36.13 Demolisher: ______________ 55.5 __ 40.88 _ 55.5 __ 40.88 _ 61.5 __ 46.88 Destroyer Tank-Hunter: ___ 72 ____ 36 ____ 72 ____ 36 ____ 72 ____ 36 Hellhound: _______________ 55.75 _ 55.75 _ 38.88 _ 38.88 _ 55.75 _ 38.88 Hydra AA Gun: ___________ 152 ____ 56 ___ 152 ____ 56 ___ 152 ____ 56 Leman Russ: ______________ 73.03 _ 42.26 _ 73 ____ 42.26 _ 77 ____ 46.26 Leman Russ Conqueror: ____ 70.08 _ 43 ____ 70 ____ 43 ____ 76 ____ 49 Leman Russ Executioner: __ 94.03 _ 47.51 _ 94 ____ 47.51 _ 98 ____ 51.5 Leman Russ Exterminator: _ 77.08 _ 43.27 _ 77 ____ 43.27 _ 81 ____ 47.27 Leman Russ Vanquisher: __ 100 ____ 49 ___ 100 ____ 49 ___ 104 ____ 53 Mole: ____________________ 80 ____ 77 ____ 68 ____ 65 ____ 84.5 __ 69.5 Predator: ________________ 68 ____ 36.5 __ 68 ____ 36.5 __ 68 ____ 36.5 Rhino: ___________________ 31.03 _ 29.51 _ 31 ____ 29.51 _ 31 ____ 29.51 Sabre Tank-Hunter: _______ 40 ____ 26.5 __ 40 ____ 26.5 __ 40 ____ 26.5 Scorpion AA Gun: _________ 26 ____ -1 ____ 26 ____ -1 ____ 29 _____ 2 Termite: _________________ 28 ____ 28 ____ 28 ____ 28 ____ 29.5 __ 29.5 Thunderer: _______________ 82 ____ 41.5 __ 82 ____ 41.5 __ 84 ____ 43.5 Vindicator: ______________ 64 ____ 37 ____ 64 ____ 37 ____ 64 ____ 37 Mole Mortar: _ 31.5 _ 31.5 _ 11.25 _ 11.25 _ 31.5 _ 11.25 Rapier: ______ 18 ____ 0 ___ 18 _____ 0 ____ 15 ___ -3 Tarantula: ___ 50 ____ 9.5 _ 50 _____ 9.5 __ 50 ____ 9.5 Thudd Gun: ___ 27 ___ 27 ____ 9 _____ 9 ____ 27 ____ 9 Basilisk: ___________ 230 ___ 230 ___ 122 ___ 122 ___ 230 ___ 122 Bombard: ____________ 372 ___ 372 ___ 192 ___ 192 ___ 372 ___ 192 Deathstrike Barrage: _ 50.32 _ 50.32 _ 30.16 _ 30.16 _ 50.32 _ 30.16 Deathstrike Harpoon: _ 38.8 __ 17.2 __ 38.8 __ 17.2 __ 38.8 __ 17.2 Deathstrike Warp Ms: _ 79.12 _ 27.28 _ 79.12 _ 27.28 _ 79.12 _ 27.28 Griffon: _____________ 75 ____ 75 ____ 43.5 __ 43.5 __ 75 ____ 43.5 Manticore: ___________ 86 ____ 86 ____ 50 ____ 50 ____ 86 ____ 50 Medusa: ______________ 86 ____ 32 ____ 86 ____ 32 ____ 86 ____ 32 Whirlwind: ___________ 56 ____ 56 ____ 38 ____ 38 ____ 56 ____ 38 Lightning Attack: ____ 200 __ 189.5 _ 200 __ 189.5 _ 350 ___ 339.5 Lightning Strike: ____ 178 __ 152.5 _ 178 __ 152.5 _ 238 ___ 212.5 Marauder Bomber: _____ 204 __ 172.5 _ 180 __ 148.5 _ 234 ___ 178.5 Marauder Destroyer: __ 250 __ 218.5 _ 202 __ 170.5 _ 278 ___ 198.5 Thunderbolt Fighter: _ 176 __ 167 ___ 168 __ 159 ___ 256 ___ 239 Valkyrie: ____________ 104 __ 101 ___ 100 ___ 97 ___ 104 ____ 97 Vulture: _____________ 103.6 _ 94.9 _ 103.6 _ 94.5 _ 127.6 _ 118.9 Baneblade: ____ 205.25 _ 111.31 _ 205.25 _ 111.31 _ 237.25 _ 143.31 Gorgon: _______ 113.3 __ 101.83 _ 113.3 __ 101.83 _ 133.3 __ 121.83 Shadowsword: __ 308.15 _ 131 ____ 308.15 _ 131 ____ 332.15 _ 155 Stormblade: ___ 211.4 __ 106.85 _ 211.4 __ 106.85 _ 235.4 __ 130.85 Storm Hammer: _ 242.35 _ 140.09 _ 242.35 _ 140.09 _ 282.35 _ 180 Stormsword: ___ 218.15 _ 111.54 _ 218.15 _ 111.54 _ 246.15 _ 139.54 Capitol Imperialis, Behemoth: _ 1000 _ 907 __ 936.2 _ 843 _ 1192.2 _ 1035 Capitol Imperialis, Volcano: __ 1172 _ 854 _ 1172.2 _ 854 _ 1364.2 _ 1046 Hellbore: ____________ 473 ____ 467 ____ 413 ___ 419 _____ 683 ___ 629 Imperial Dropship: ___ 665.4 __ 560.1 __ 649.4 _ 544.1 ___ 801.4 _ 680.1 Leviathan Mobile HQ: _ 955.3 __ 862.83 _ 747.3 _ 654.83 _ 1147.3 _ 846.83 AMO Armageddon: ______ 840.7 __ 442.68 _ 840.7 _ 442.68 __ 920.7 _ 522.68 AMO Golgotha: ________ 779 ____ 748.85 _ 548.6 _ 518.45 __ 859 ___ 598.45 AMO Mars: ___________ 1144.2 _ 1114 ____ 739.2 _ 709 ____ 1224.2 _ 789 Warhound: ____________ 383 ____ 383 ____ 383 ___ 383 _____ 543 ___ 543 Reaver: ______________ 414 ____ 414 ____ 414 ___ 414 _____ 630 ___ 630 Warlord: _____________ 457 ____ 457 ____ 457 ___ 457 _____ 695 ___ 695 _ Imperial Guard Formations [All Command Rhino replaced with Command Chimera, except with Storm Trooper. Players who wish to use Rhinos instead may do so at no cost difference.] _ Company Formations: Tactical: ______ 290 _ 240 _ 290 _ 240 _ 305 _ 250 Assault: _______ 310 _ 290 _ 310 _ 290 _ 345 _ 325 Heavy: _________ 345 _ 220 _ 345 _ 220 _ 360 _ 235 Storm Trooper: _ 550 _ 505 _ 550 _ 505 _ 580 _ 535 Abhuman: _______ 415 _ 380 _ 415 _ 380 _ 465 _ 430 Mechanized Tactical: _ 370 _ 320 _ 370 _ 320 _ 390 _ 340 Mechanized Assault: __ 465 _ 430 _ 465 _ 430 _ 515 _ 480 Gorgon Tactical: _____ 400 _ 350 _ 400 _ 350 _ 450 _ 395 Gorgon Assault: ______ 490 _ 455 _ 490 _ 455 _ 565 _ 525 Mole: ________________ 390 _ 335 _ 375 _ 320 _ 405 _ 340 Hellbore: ____________ 645 _ 590 _ 600 _ 550 _ 830 _ 735 Imperial Bike: _ 245 _ 235 _ 245 _ 235 _ 330 _ 320 Land Speeder: __ 485 _ 420 _ 485 _ 420 _ 630 _ 565 Rough Rider: ___ 415 _ 400 _ 415 _ 400 _ 525 _ 510 Leman Russ: _________ 340 _ 210 _ 340 _ 210 _ 360 _ 225 Leman Russ Assault: _ 395 _ 225 _ 395 _ 225 _ 415 _ 245 Predator: ___________ 320 _ 185 _ 320 _ 185 _ 320 _ 185 Vindicator: _________ 305 _ 185 _ 305 _ 185 _ 305 _ 185 Baneblade: __________ 410 _ 220 _ 410 _ 220 _ 475 _ 280 Shadowsword: ________ 630 _ 265 _ 630 _ 265 _ 680 _ 310 Stormblade: _________ 430 _ 215 _ 430 _ 215 _ 475 _ 260 Stormhammer: ________ 480 _ 270 _ 480 _ 270 _ 555 _ 350 Artillery: ______ 1110 _ 1100 _ 625 _ 615 _ 1110 _ 620 Siege Artillery: _ 760 __ 615 _ 540 _ 400 __ 760 _ 400 Rocket: __________ 375 __ 365 _ 265 _ 255 __ 375 _ 255 Sky Wolf: _ 535 _ 495 _ 535 _ 495 _ 645 _ 605 Airborne: _ 995 _ 925 _ 965 _ 895 _ 995 _ 895 _ Special: Adeptus Mechanicus: ___ 85 __ 80 __ 85 __ 80 __ 90 __ 85 Adeptus Psyker: _______ 45 __ 40 __ 45 __ 40 __ 45 __ 40 Assassin, Callidus: ___ 70 __ 70 __ 70 __ 70 __ 70 __ 70 Assassin, Vindicare: __ 50 __ 45 __ 50 __ 45 __ 50 __ 45 Astropath: ____________ 50 __ 50 __ 50 __ 50 __ 55 __ 50 Confessor: ____________ 95 __ 90 __ 95 __ 90 _ 100 __ 95 Forward Observer: ____ 110 _ 105 _ 110 _ 105 _ 115 _ 110 Grey Knight: _________ 250 _ 210 _ 250 _ 210 _ 265 _ 230 Inquisitor: __________ 220 _ 190 _ 220 _ 190 _ 240 _ 210 Ordo-Malleus Inqstr: _ 150 _ 130 _ 150 _ 130 _ 175 _ 150 Battalion Command: ____ 75 __ 70 __ 75 __ 70 __ 80 __ 70 Regimental Command: __ 115 _ 105 _ 115 _ 105 _ 120 _ 110 Capitol Imprls, Behemoth: _ 1120 _ 1015 _ 1050 _ 945 _ 1335 _ 1160 Capitol Imprls, Volcano: __ 1315 __ 955 _ 1315 _ 955 _ 1530 _ 1170 Imperial Dropship: _ 670 __ 565 _ 655 _ 550 __ 810 _ 685 Leviathan: ________ 1070 __ 965 _ 835 _ 735 _ 1285 _ 950 AMO Armageddon: ____ 850 __ 445 _ 845 _ 445 __ 930 _ 525 AMO Golgotha: ______ 785 __ 755 _ 555 _ 525 __ 865 _ 605 AMO Mars: _________ 1155 _ 1125 _ 745 _ 715 _ 1235 _ 795 Warhound +2W: ______ 385 __ 385 _ 385 _ 385 __ 545 _ 545 Reaver +3W: ________ 415 __ 415 _ 415 _ 415 __ 635 _ 635 Warlord +4W: _______ 460 __ 460 _ 460 _ 460 __ 700 _ 700 _ Support: Assault: ________ 60 __ 60 __ 60 __ 60 __ 70 __ 65 Beastmen: ______ 100 __ 90 _ 100 __ 90 _ 115 _ 105 Engineer: _______ 60 __ 55 __ 60 __ 55 __ 60 __ 55 Heavy: __________ 90 __ 40 __ 90 __ 40 __ 90 __ 40 Ogryn: __________ 90 __ 85 __ 90 __ 85 _ 100 __ 95 Ratling: _______ 280 _ 270 _ 280 _ 270 _ 275 _ 265 Storm Trooper: _ 155 _ 140 _ 155 _ 140 _ 160 _ 145 Tactical: _______ 55 __ 40 __ 55 __ 40 __ 55 __ 40 Airborne: _______________ 335 _ 315 _ 325 _ 300 _ 335 _ 300 Gorgon Assault: _________ 115 _ 105 _ 115 _ 105 _ 130 _ 120 Gorgon Tactical: _________ 85 __ 75 __ 85 __ 75 __ 95 __ 85 Mech Assault Chimedon: __ 155 _ 120 _ 155 _ 120 _ 165 _ 130 Mech Assault Chimera: ___ 120 _ 110 _ 120 _ 110 _ 130 _ 120 Mech Assault Chimerax: __ 130 _ 115 _ 130 _ 115 _ 140 _ 125 Mech Assault Chimerro: __ 135 _ 115 _ 135 _ 115 _ 150 _ 125 Mech Heavy Chimedon: ____ 185 _ 100 _ 185 _ 100 _ 190 _ 105 Mech Heavy Chimera: _____ 150 __ 90 _ 150 __ 90 _ 155 __ 95 Mech Heavy Chimerax: ____ 160 __ 95 _ 160 __ 95 _ 165 _ 100 Mech Heavy Chimerro: ____ 170 __ 95 _ 170 __ 95 _ 170 _ 100 Mech Tactical Chimedon: _ 125 __ 85 _ 125 __ 85 _ 130 __ 90 Mech Tactical Chimera: ___ 90 __ 75 __ 90 __ 75 __ 95 __ 80 Mech Tactical Chimerax: _ 100 __ 80 _ 100 __ 80 _ 105 __ 85 Mech Tactical Chimerro: _ 110 __ 80 _ 110 __ 80 _ 110 __ 85 Mole: ____________________ 95 __ 80 __ 90 __ 75 _ 100 __ 75 Termite: _________________ 80 __ 70 __ 80 __ 70 __ 85 __ 75 Imperial Bike: _ 65 __ 65 __ 65 __ 65 __ 90 __ 85 Land Speeder: _ 150 _ 125 _ 150 _ 125 _ 190 _ 165 LS Tornado: ___ 140 _ 120 _ 140 _ 120 _ 180 _ 165 LS Typhoon: ___ 135 _ 135 _ 125 _ 125 _ 175 _ 165 Rough Rider: __ 105 _ 100 _ 105 _ 100 _ 130 _ 125 Robot: ___ 265 _ 190 _ 265 _ 190 _ 265 _ 190 Sentinel: _ 85 __ 70 __ 85 __ 70 _ 100 __ 90 Artillery Tractor: _ 40 __ 40 __ 40 __ 40 __ 40 __ 40 Bridging Team: _____ 40 __ 35 __ 40 __ 35 __ 40 __ 35 Chimera: ___________ 70 __ 65 __ 70 __ 65 __ 75 __ 70 Chimedon: _________ 165 _ 110 _ 165 _ 110 _ 170 _ 115 Chimerax: _________ 120 _ 100 _ 120 _ 100 _ 130 _ 105 Chimerro: _________ 135 _ 100 _ 135 _ 100 _ 140 _ 105 Demolisher: _______ 110 __ 85 _ 110 __ 85 _ 120 __ 95 Destroyer: ________ 140 __ 75 _ 140 __ 75 _ 140 __ 75 Hellhound: ________ 110 _ 110 __ 80 __ 80 _ 110 __ 80 Hydra: ____________ 285 _ 110 _ 285 _ 110 _ 285 _ 110 Leman Russ: _______ 140 __ 85 _ 140 __ 85 _ 150 __ 90 LR Conqueror: _____ 135 __ 85 _ 135 __ 85 _ 145 __ 95 LR Executioner: ___ 180 __ 95 _ 180 __ 95 _ 185 _ 100 LR Exterminator: __ 150 __ 85 _ 150 __ 85 _ 155 __ 95 LR Vanquisher: ____ 190 __ 95 _ 190 __ 95 _ 195 _ 105 Predator: _________ 130 __ 75 _ 130 __ 75 _ 130 __ 75 Sabre: _____________ 80 __ 55 __ 80 __ 55 __ 80 __ 55 Scorpion AA: _______ 80 ___ 5 __ 80 ___ 5 __ 85 __ 15 Thunderer: ________ 155 __ 85 _ 155 __ 85 _ 160 __ 85 Vindicator: _______ 125 __ 75 _ 125 __ 75 _ 125 __ 75 Mole Mortar: _ 65 _ 65 __ 30 _ 30 __ 65 _ 30 Rapier: ______ 40 _ 10 __ 40 _ 10 __ 35 __ 5 Tarantula: __ 150 _ 30 _ 150 _ 30 _ 150 _ 30 Thudd Gun: ___ 60 _ 60 __ 25 _ 25 __ 60 _ 25 Basilisk: __________ 425 _ 425 _ 230 _ 230 _ 425 _ 230 Bombard: ___________ 680 _ 680 _ 355 _ 355 _ 680 _ 355 Deathstrike: varies, choose 3 _Barrage each: ______ 35 __ 35 __ 20 __ 20 __ 35 __ 20 _Harpoon each: ______ 25 __ 15 __ 25 __ 15 __ 25 __ 15 _Warp Missile each: _ 50 __ 20 __ 50 __ 20 __ 50 __ 20 Griffon: ___________ 145 _ 145 __ 85 __ 85 _ 145 __ 85 Manticore: _________ 165 _ 165 _ 100 _ 100 _ 165 _ 100 Medusa: ____________ 165 __ 65 _ 165 __ 65 _ 165 __ 65 Whirlwind: _________ 110 _ 110 __ 75 __ 75 _ 110 __ 75 Lightning Attack: ___ 405 _ 385 _ 405 _ 385 _ 700 _ 680 Lightning Strike: ___ 360 _ 310 _ 360 _ 310 _ 480 _ 430 Marauder Bomber: ____ 415 _ 350 _ 365 _ 305 _ 470 _ 360 Marauder Destroyer: _ 505 _ 440 _ 410 _ 345 _ 560 _ 400 Thunderbolt: ________ 360 _ 340 _ 340 _ 325 _ 515 _ 480 Valkyrie: ___________ 320 _ 310 _ 305 _ 295 _ 320 _ 295 Vulture: ____________ 215 _ 195 _ 215 _ 195 _ 260 _ 245 Baneblade: ___ 205 _ 110 _ 205 _ 110 _ 235 _ 140 Shadowsword: _ 305 _ 130 _ 305 _ 130 _ 330 _ 155 Stormblade: __ 210 _ 105 _ 210 _ 105 _ 235 _ 130 Stormhammer: _ 240 _ 140 _ 240 _ 140 _ 280 _ 180 Stormsword: __ 215 _ 110 _ 215 _ 110 _ 245 _ 140 |
Author: | primarch [ Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
Hi! Awesome! Primarch |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
New values for revision to Transport. I've discovered a typo on the Gorgon. Note that this typo is also in the Adeptus Ministorum pdf. The typo is that it is listed as having Transport 6, but all of the formations that include a Gorgon have only 5 Infantry stands in them. I've fixed that below. _____________________________ _ Imperial Guard models Adeptus Mechanicus: _______ 36.5 Adeptus Psyker: ___________ 27.63 Astropath: ________________ 36.5 Colonel: __________________ 85.5 Commisar: _________________ 64.5 Commisar on Bike: ________ 112.5 Commisar on Horse: ________ 88.5 Commisar on Speeder: _____ 160.5 Confessor: ________________ 81.5 Forward Observer: _________ 46.5 Grey Knights: ____________ 122.3 Inquisitor Squad: ________ 174.45 Major: ____________________ 51.5 Ordo-Malleus Inquisitor: _ 121.75 Callidus Assassin: ________ 71 Vindicare Assassin: _______ 45 Sectional HQ (SHQ): _ +10 Company HQ (CHQ): varies _Tactical CHQ: ______ 23.5 _Assault CHQ: _______ 45.75 _Storm Trooper CHQ: _ 44.5 _Imperial Bike CHQ: _ 52.34 _Land Speeder CHQ: __ 99.5 _Rough Rider CHQ: ___ 47.38 _Leman Russ CHQ: ____ 71.13 _Predator CHQ: ______ 61.75 _Vindicator CHQ: ____ 59.5 _Baneblade CHQ: ____ 186.44 _Shadowsword CHQ: __ 211 _Stormblade CHQ: ___ 174.25 _Storm Hammer CHQ: _ 225.59 _Valkyrie CHQ: _____ 194.5 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or LA 1/2] _Vulture CHQ: ______ 208.35 _Chimera, Command: __ 55.688 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots] _Chimera, Cm Scout: _ 75.688 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots] _Rhino, Command: ____ 54.881 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] _Rhino, Cm Scout: ___ 74.881 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA no slots] _Gorgon, Command: __ 169.73 [Transport 5: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots] _Termite, Command: __ 57 [Transport 2: I 1/1] Assault Squad: ________ 20.5 Beastmen Squad: _______ 21.5 Engineer: _____________ 16.5 Heavy Squad: __________ 12 Ogryn Squad: __________ 44.6 Ratling Sniper Squad: _ 71.75 Storm Trooper Squad: __ 26.5 Tactical Squad: ________ 7 Rough Rider stand: ____ 26.25 Imperial Bike Stand: __ 28.34 Land Speeder Tornado: _ 57 Land Speeder Typhoon: _ 58 Land Speeder: _________ 58 Robot: ____ 33.5 Sentinel: _ 29.5 Artillery Tractor: _______ 19.506 [Transport 1: LA] Bridging Vehicle: ________ 30.51 Chimedon: ________________ 37.25 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots] Chimera: _________________ 31.625 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots] Chimerax: ________________ 33.5 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots] Chimerro: ________________ 34.625 [Transport 2: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots] Demolisher: ______________ 46.88 Destroyer Tank-Hunter: ___ 36 Hellhound: _______________ 38.88 Hydra AA Gun: ____________ 46 Leman Russ: ______________ 46.26 Leman Russ Conqueror: ____ 49 Leman Russ Executioner: __ 51.5 Leman Russ Exterminator: _ 47.27 Leman Russ Vanquisher: ___ 53 Mole: ____________________ 71 [Transport Detachment: I] Predator: ________________ 36.5 Rhino: ___________________ 29.381 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or W 1/2; 1 LA 1/0] Sabre Tank-Hunter: _______ 26.5 Scorpion AA Gun: __________ 2 Termite: _________________ 32.5 [Transport 2: I 1/1] Thunderer: _______________ 43.5 Vindicator: ______________ 37 Mole Mortar: _ 11.25 Rapier: ______ -3 Tarantula: ____ 9.5 Thudd Gun: ____ 9 Basilisk: ___________ 122 Bombard: ____________ 192 Deathstrike Barrage: _ 30.16 Deathstrike Harpoon: _ 17.2 Deathstrike Warp Ms: _ 27.28 Griffon: _____________ 43.5 Manticore: ___________ 50 Medusa: ______________ 32 Whirlwind: ___________ 38 Lightning Attack: ____ 339.5 Lightning Strike: ____ 212.5 Marauder Bomber: _____ 178.5 Marauder Destroyer: __ 198.5 Thunderbolt Fighter: _ 239 Valkyrie: ____________ 105 [Transport 2: I 1/1 or LA 1/2] Vulture: _____________ 118.9 Baneblade: ____ 143.31 Gorgon: _______ 120.83 [Transport 5: I 1/1; 1 LA no slots] Shadowsword: __ 155 Stormblade: ___ 130.85 Storm Hammer: _ 180 Stormsword: ___ 139.54 Capitol Imperialis, Behemoth: _ 1059 [Transport 2xCompany: I,LA,C,V,F,SH] Capitol Imperialis, Volcano: __ 1070 [Transport 2xCompany: I,LA,C,V,F,SH] Hellbore: ______________________ 651.5 [Transport Company: I] Imperial Dropship: _____________ 692.1 [Transport 3xCompany: I,LA,C,V,K,SH,ST,BT,MT] Leviathan Mobile HQ: ___________ 863.33 [Transport Company: I] AMO Armageddon: ________________ 522.68 AMO Golgotha: __________________ 598.45 AMO Mars: ______________________ 789 Warhound: ______________________ 543 Reaver: ________________________ 630 Warlord: _______________________ 695 _ Imperial Guard Formations [All Command Rhino replaced with Command Chimera, except with Storm Trooper. Players who wish to use Rhinos instead may do so at no cost difference.] _ Company Formations: Tactical: ______ 255 Assault: _______ 330 Heavy: _________ 235 Storm Trooper: _ 540 Abhuman: _______ 435 Mechanized Tactical: _ 335 Mechanized Assault: __ 475 Gorgon Tactical: _____ 395 Gorgon Assault: ______ 525 Mole: ________________ 345 Hellbore: ____________ 755 Imperial Bike: _ 320 Land Speeder: __ 565 Rough Rider: ___ 510 Leman Russ: _________ 225 Leman Russ Assault: _ 245 Predator: ___________ 185 Vindicator: _________ 185 Baneblade: __________ 280 Shadowsword: ________ 310 Stormblade: _________ 260 Stormhammer: ________ 350 Artillery: _______ 620 Siege Artillery: _ 400 Rocket: __________ 255 Sky Wolf: _ 605 Airborne: _ 960 _ Special: Adeptus Mechanicus: ___ 85 Adeptus Psyker: _______ 40 Assassin, Calidus: ____ 70 Assassin, Vindicare: __ 45 Astropath: ____________ 50 Confessor: ____________ 95 Forward Observer: ____ 115 Grey Knight: _________ 230 Inquisitor: __________ 210 Ordo-Malleus Inqstr: _ 150 Battilion Command: ____ 70 Regimental Command: __ 110 Capitol Imprls, Behemoth: _ 1185 Capitol Imprls, Volcano: __ 1200 Imperial Dropship: _________ 700 Leviathan: _________________ 965 AMO Armageddon: ____________ 525 AMO Golgotha: ______________ 605 AMO Mars: __________________ 795 Warhound +2W: ______________ 545 Reaver +3W: ________________ 635 Warlord +4W: _______________ 700 _ Support: Assault: ________ 65 Beastman: ______ 105 Engineer: _______ 55 Heavy: __________ 40 Ogryn: __________ 95 Ratling: _______ 265 Storm Trooper: _ 145 Tactical: _______ 40 Airborne: _______________ 325 Gorgon Assault: _________ 120 Gorgon Tactical: _________ 85 Mech Assault Chimedon: __ 125 Mech Assault Chimera: ___ 120 Mech Assault Chimerax: __ 120 Mech Assault Chimerro: __ 120 Mech Heavy Chimedon: ____ 100 Mech Heavy Chimera: ______ 90 Mech Heavy Chimerax: _____ 95 Mech Heavy Chimerro: _____ 95 Mech Tactical Chimedon: __ 85 Mech Tactical Chimera: ___ 75 Mech Tactical Chimerax: __ 80 Mech Tactical Chimerro: __ 80 Mole: ____________________ 80 Termite: _________________ 80 Imperial Bike: _ 85 Land Speeder: _ 165 LS Tornado: ___ 165 LS Typhoon: ___ 165 Rough Rider: __ 125 Robot: ___ 190 Sentinel: _ 90 Artillery Tractor: _ 40 Bridging Team: _____ 35 Chimera: ___________ 65 Chimedon: _________ 110 Chimerax: _________ 100 Chimerro: _________ 105 Demolisher: ________ 95 Destroyer: _________ 75 Hellhound: _________ 80 Hydra: _____________ 90 Leman Russ: ________ 90 LR Conquerer: ______ 95 LR Executioner: ___ 100 LR Exterminator: ___ 95 LR Vanquisher: ____ 105 Predator: __________ 75 Sabre: _____________ 55 Scorpion AA: _______ 15 Thunderer: _________ 85 Vindicator: ________ 75 Mole Mortar: _ 30 Rapier: _______ 5 Tarantula: ___ 30 Thudd Gun: ___ 25 Basilisk: __________ 230 Bombard: ___________ 355 Deathstrike: varies, choose 3 _Barrage each: ______ 20 _Harpoon each: ______ 15 _Warp Missile each: _ 20 Griffon: ____________ 85 Manticore: _________ 100 Medusa: _____________ 65 Whirlwind: __________ 75 Lightning Attack: ___ 680 Lightning Strike: ___ 430 Marauder Bomber: ____ 360 Marauder Destroyer: _ 400 Thunderbolt: ________ 480 Valkyre: ____________ 320 Vulture: ____________ 245 Baneblade: ___ 140 Shadowsword: _ 155 Stormblade: __ 130 Stormhammer: _ 180 Stormsword: __ 140 |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
Updated Imperial Dropship value |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
Updated Hydra as per errata. |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
Updated values as per tweak run 2 (reducing cost of saves, increasing cost of weapons). This post is just and specifically the formations as listed in the Adeptus Militaris pdf, with a few slightly expanded entries. Expanded formations are in the next post. All Command Rhino replaced with Command Chimera, except with Storm Trooper formations. _ Imperial Guard Formations _ Company Formations: Tactical: ______ 257 Assault: _______ 320 Heavy: _________ 263 Storm Trooper: _ 522 Abhuman: _______ 432 Mechanized Tactical: _ Chimera __ 321 _ Chimedon _ 365 _ Chimerax _ 331 _ Chimerro _ 341 Mechanized Assault: _ Chimera __ 454 _ Chimedon _ 498 _ Chimerax _ 464 _ Chimerro _ 474 Gorgon Tactical: _____ 381 Gorgon Assault: ______ 504 Mole: ________________ 351 Hellbore: ____________ 747 Imperial Bike: _ 279 Land Speeder: __ 542 Rough Rider: ___ 456 Leman Russ: _________ 241 Leman Russ Assault: _ 272 Predator: ___________ 202 Vindicator: _________ 192 Baneblade: __________ 330 Shadowsword: ________ 417 Stormblade: _________ 315 Stormhammer: ________ 394 Artillery: _______ 842 Siege Artillery: _ 536 Rocket: __________ 293 Sky Wolf: _ 592 Airborne: _ 970 _ Special: Adeptus Mechanicus ____ 86 Adeptus Psyker ________ 43 Assassin, Calidus: ____ 71 Assassin, Vindicare: __ 47 Astropath _____________ 51 Confessor _____________ 96 Forward Observer _____ 107 Grey Knight: _________ 231 Inquisitor ___________ 213 Ordo-Malleus Inqstr __ 151 Battilion Command _____ 73 Regimental Command ___ 113 Capitol Imprls, Behemoth: _ 1096 Capitol Imprls, Volcano: __ 1157 Imperial Dropship: _________ 704 Leviathan: ________________ 1038 AMO Armageddon: ____________ 600 AMO Golgotha: ______________ 677 AMO Mars: __________________ 953 Warhound +2W: ______________ 521 Reaver +3W: ________________ 582 Warlord +4W: _______________ 643 _ Support Formations Assault ________ 62 Beastmen ______ 104 Engineer _______ 51 Heavy __________ 54 Ogryn __________ 91 Ratling _______ 266 Storm Trooper _ 143 Tactical _______ 40 _ Mechanized: Airborne _______ 327 Gorgon Assault _ 106 Gorgon Tactical _ 73 Mechanized Assault: _ Chimera __ 113 _ Chimedon _ 130 _ Chimerax _ 118 _ Chimerro _ 122 Mechanized Heavy: _ Chimera __ 104 _ Chimedon _ 121 _ Chimerax _ 109 _ Chimerro _ 113 Mechanized Tactical: _ Chimera __ 74 _ Chimedon _ 91 _ Chimerax _ 79 _ Chimerro _ 83 Mole ____________ 81 Termite _________ 73 Imperial Bike: _ 79 Land Speeder: _ 171 LS Tornado: ___ 166 LS Typhoon: ___ 167 Rough Rider: __ 116 Robot: ___ 196 Sentinel: _ 90 Artillery Tractor: _ 38 Bridging Team: _____ 34 Chimera ____________ 60 Chimedon __________ 116 Chimerax ___________ 96 Chimerro __________ 102 Demolisher: ________ 92 Destroyer: _________ 85 Hellhound: _________ 84 Hydra: ____________ 143 Leman Russ: _______ 101 LR Conquerer: _____ 103 LR Executioner: ___ 119 LR Exterminator: __ 104 LR Vanquisher: ____ 125 Predator: __________ 83 Sabre: _____________ 56 Scorpion AA: _______ 35 Thunderer: ________ 101 Vindicator: ________ 80 Mole Mortar: _ 45 Rapier: ______ 11 Tarantula: ___ 69 Thudd Gun: ___ 38 Basilisk: __________ 319 Bombard: ___________ 510 Deathstrike: varies, choose 3 _Barrage each: ______ 26 _Harpoon each: ______ 16 _Warp Missile each: _ 28 Griffon: ___________ 109 Manticore: _________ 125 Medusa: _____________ 92 Whirlwind: __________ 85 Lightning Attack: ___ 679 Lightning Strike: ___ 438 Marauder Bomber: ____ 396 Marauder Destroyer: _ 457 Thunderbolt: ________ 487 Valkyrie ____________ 320 Vulture: ____________ 241 Baneblade: ___ 173 Shadowsword: _ 212 Stormblade: __ 164 Stormhammer: _ 208 Stormsword: __ 173 |
Author: | MagnusIlluminus [ Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Points formula values for Imperial Guard |
For people who would like more options with their Infantry formations for NetEpic Gold Imperial Guard, I present the following expanded set of formations. All of these are based on existing formations so are not really new formations as such, just new ways to organize the formations. These entries include all of the Infantry formations above as well. All formations here that are not in the Adeptus Militaris pdf should be considered optional and require the consent of all players to use. However, since their costs are based on the formula, they *should* all be reasonably balanced. Note that I use many abbreviations in the following entries. Some of these are the same as ones from the Adeptus Militaris pdf and some are new. All of the new ones are used for the detachments of Company formations. Refer to the Support formations (in the next post - this one was too long) for what these mean. _Formation Name _____ BP _ Morale _ VP _ Cost _ Contents __ Company: _ Tactical Legions: Footslogger ___________ 16+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 214 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TLF; Commissar stand Standard Chimera ______ 17+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 257 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TLF; Commissar & Cm Chimera Standard Rhino ________ 17+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 255 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TLF; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Chimera ____ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 432 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TLC; Commissar & Cm Chimera Mechanized Chimedon ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 503 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 TLD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon Mechanized Chimerax ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 451 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 TLX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax Mechanized Chimerro ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 467 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 TLO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro Mechanized Rhino ______ 24+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 413 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TLR; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Gorgon _____ 20+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 471 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 TLG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 24+1 _ 3 __ 9+1 __ 970 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 TLV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie Mechanized Termite ____ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 426 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TLT; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Mole _______ 18+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 351 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TLM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Hellbore _ 16+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 747 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TLF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter) _ Tactical Platoons: Footslogger ___________ 10+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 175 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TPF; Commissar stand Standard Chimera ______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 219 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TPF; Commissar & Cm Chimera Standard Rhino ________ 11+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 217 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TPF; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Chimera ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 321 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TPC; Commissar & Cm Chimera Mechanized Chimedon ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 365 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 TPD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon Mechanized Chimerax ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 331 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 TPX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax Mechanized Chimerro ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 341 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 TPO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro Mechanized Rhino ______ 15+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 319 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TPR; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Gorgon _____ 12+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 422 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 TPG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 6+1 __ 752 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 TPV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie Mechanized Termite ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 315 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TPT; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Mole _______ 12+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 313 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TPM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Hellbore _ 10+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 708 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TPF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter) _ Tactical Squads: Footslogger ____________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 119 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TSF; Commissar stand Standard Chimera _______ 9+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 212 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TSF; Commissar & Cm Chimera Standard Rhino _________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 211 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TSF; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Chimera ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 320 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 TSC; Commissar & Cm Chimera Mechanized Chimedon ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 366 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 TSD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon Mechanized Chimerax ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 330 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 TSX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax Mechanized Chimerro ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 341 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 TSO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro Mechanized Rhino ______ 14+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 308 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 TSR; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Gorgon _____ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 381 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 TSG; Commissar Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 14+1 _ 3 __ 7+1 __ 765 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 TSV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie Mechanized Termite ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 314 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TST; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Mole _______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 219 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 TSM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Hellbore __ 9+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 705 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 TSF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter) _ Assault Platoons: Footslogger ___________ 10+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 308 _ 2 ACHQ, 3 APF; Commissar stand Standard Chimera ______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 359 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 APF; Commissar & Cm Chimera Standard Rhino ________ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 357 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 APF; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Chimera ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 454 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 APC; Commissar & Cm Chimera Mechanized Chimedon ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 498 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 APD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon Mechanized Chimerax ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 464 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 APX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax Mechanized Chimerro ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 474 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 APO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro Mechanized Rhino ______ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 452 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 APR; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Gorgon _____ 12+1 _ 4 __ 5+1 __ 555 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 APG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 8+1 __ 895 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 APV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie Mechanized Termite ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 449 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Termite, 3 APT; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Mole _______ 12+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 446 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Termite, 3 APM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Hellbore _ 10+1+1 _ 4 _ 2+1+6 _ 842 _ 2 ACHQ, 3 APF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter) _ Assault Squads: Footslogger ____________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 1+1 __ 207 _ 2 ACHQ, 3 ASF; Commissar stand Standard Chimera _______ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 320 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 ASF; Commissar & Cm Chimera Standard Rhino _________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 319 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 ASF; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Chimera ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 442 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 ASC; Commissar & Cm Chimera Mechanized Chimedon ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 488 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 ASD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon Mechanized Chimerax ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 452 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 ASX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax Mechanized Chimerro ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 463 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 ASO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro Mechanized Rhino ______ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 430 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 ASR; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Gorgon _____ 11+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 504 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 ASG; Commissar Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 14+1 _ 3 __ 8+1 __ 895 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 ASV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie Mechanized Termite ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 436 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Termite, 3 AST; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Mole _______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 343 _ 2 ACHQ & Cm Termite, 3 ASM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Hellbore __ 9+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 741 _ 2 ACHQ, 3 ASF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter) _ Heavy Platoons: Footslogger ___________ 10+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 248 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 HPF; Commissar stand Standard Chimera ______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 295 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 HPF; Commissar & Cm Chimera Standard Rhino ________ 11+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 294 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 HPF; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Chimera ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 394 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 HPC; Commissar & Cm Chimera Mechanized Chimedon ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 438 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 HPD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon Mechanized Chimerax ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 404 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 HPX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax Mechanized Chimerro ___ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 414 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 HPO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro Mechanized Rhino ______ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 392 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 HPR; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Gorgon _____ 12+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 494 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 HPG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 7+1 __ 832 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 HPV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie Mechanized Termite ____ 15+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 388 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 HPT; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Mole _______ 12+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 386 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 HPM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Hellbore _ 10+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 781 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 HPF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter) _ Heavy Squads: Footslogger ____________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 235 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 HSF; Commissar stand Standard Chimera _______ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 263 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 HSF; Commissar & Cm Chimera Standard Rhino _________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 262 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 HSF; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Chimera ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 383 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 HSC; Commissar & Cm Chimera Mechanized Chimedon ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 429 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 HSD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon Mechanized Chimerax ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 393 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 HSX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax Mechanized Chimerro ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 404 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 HSO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro Mechanized Rhino ______ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 371 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 HSR; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Gorgon _____ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 444 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 HSG; Commissar Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 14+1 _ 3 __ 7+1 __ 834 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 HSV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie Mechanized Termite ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 377 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 HST; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Mole _______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 283 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 HSM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Hellbore __ 9+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 769 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 HSF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter) _ Storm Trooper: Footslogger ___________ 10+1 _ 3 __ 3+1 __ 378 _ 2 STCHQ, 3 STF; Commissar stand Standard Chimera ______ 11+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 432 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 STF; Commissar & Cm Chimera Standard Rhino ________ 11+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 430 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 STF; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Chimera ____ 15+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 524 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 STC; Commissar & Cm Chimera Mechanized Chimedon ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 5+1 __ 568 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 STD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon Mechanized Chimerax ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 5+1 __ 534 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 STX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax Mechanized Chimerro ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 5+1 __ 544 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 STO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro Mechanized Rhino ______ 15+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 522 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 STR; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Gorgon _____ 12+1 _ 3 __ 5+1 __ 625 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 STG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 15+1 _ 3 __ 8+1 __ 949 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 STV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie Mechanized Termite ____ 15+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 518 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 STT; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Mole _______ 12+1 _ 3 __ 4+1 __ 516 _ 2 STCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 STM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Hellbore _ 10+1+1 _ 3 _ 3+1+6 _ 911 _ 2 STCHQ, 3 STF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera (spotter) _ Beastmen: Footslogger ___________ 16+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 214 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 BF; Commissar stand Standard Chimera ______ 17+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 257 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 BF; Commissar & Cm Chimera Standard Rhino ________ 17+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 255 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 BF; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Chimera ____ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 432 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 BC; Commissar & Cm Chimera Mechanized Chimedon ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 503 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 BD; Commissar & Cm Chimedon Mechanized Chimerax ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 451 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 BX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax Mechanized Chimerro ___ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 467 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 BO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro Mechanized Rhino ______ 24+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 413 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 BR; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Gorgon _____ 20+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 471 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 BG; Commissar & Cm Gorgon Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 24+1 _ 3 _ 10+1 _ 1157 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 BV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie Mechanized Termite ____ 24+1 _ 4 __ 4+1 __ 426 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 BT; Commissar & Cm Termite Mechanized Mole _______ 18+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 351 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 BM; Commissar & Cm Termite Mechanized Hellbore _ 16+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 747 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 BF; Commissar; Hellbore & Cm Chimera _ Engineer: Footslogger ____________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 229 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 EF; Commissar stand Standard Chimera _______ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 257 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 EF; Commissar & Cm Chimera Standard Rhino _________ 9+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 256 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 EF; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Chimera ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 376 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimera, 3 EC; Commissar & Cm Chimera Mechanized Chimedon ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 422 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimedon, 3 ED; Commissar & Cm Chimedon Mechanized Chimerax ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 387 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerax, 3 EX; Commissar & Cm Chimerax Mechanized Chimerro ___ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 398 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Chimerro, 3 EO; Commissar & Cm Chimerro Mechanized Rhino ______ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 364 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Rhino, 3 ER; Commissar & Cm Rhino Mechanized Gorgon _____ 11+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 438 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Gorgon, 3 EG; Commissar Mechanized Valkyrie ___ 14+1 _ 3 __ 7+1 __ 827 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Valkyrie, 3 EV; Commissar & Cm Valkyrie Mechanized Termite ____ 14+1 _ 4 __ 3+1 __ 371 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 ET; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Mole _______ 11+1 _ 4 __ 2+1 __ 277 _ 2 TCHQ & Cm Termite, 3 EM; Commissar & Cm Termite; Cm Chimera (spotter) Mechanized Hellbore __ 9+1+1 _ 4 _ 1+1+6 _ 762 _ 2 TCHQ, 3 EF; 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