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@moredakka: Thanks, that's good to know. That means that there is precedent in later versions of Epic, so it's not as radical of a change as I was thinking it was.
@squiggleamp
I would not say that "pure formations" is a 'rule' as such, but more of a tradition for these older versions. It's just how things are done. In my opinion, if you are creating these for use within NEGold, then they should remain as pure formations. That is, however, just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.
As you seem to be contradicting yourself in your description of how Break Point works for a Company, I'll summarize. To find the break point for a Company for most factions, specifically Space Marines in this case, figure out the total number of models / stands in the formation. Once you have that total, halve it and round up any fractions.
_ Example A: NEGold Land Raider Company. This formation has one Command model and three detachments each with three models for a total of (1+3+3+3) ten models. Thus it's BP is 5, as 5 is half of 10.
_ Example B: Your Tank Company. This formation has (at least) one Command model and either two or three detachments of either three or four models each. This makes figuring the BP a bit complicated. At it's minimum (1 HQ & 2 Detachments of 3 tanks) it has (1+3+3) seven models. As half of 7 is 3.5, we round up to 4. Thus the minimum formation size would have a BP of 4. Notice that adding just one tank (either a 2IC or one Executioner) would not change the BP. At it's maximum (assuming a limit of two Command Tanks and one Executioner per detachment) this formation would have (2+4+4+4) fourteen models, and thus a BP of 7.
The entire Company is only considered Broken when it has lost a number of models equal to it's BP, regardless of which detachment the losses are from. For example, a NEGold Land Raider Company could lose 2 models from one detachment, one from another, and the Command tank, and still not be considered Broken. The individual detachments within a Company formation are not considered separately for Break Point or VP. You seem to be saying that they are, but they are not. If you are changing that, then you are no longer playing within NEGold.
Support and Special formations are considered individually for BP and VP. I suppose you could have been referring to that, but the way you wrote your post was not clear.
If you guys really want mixed formations, then have mixed formations. Just so long as there are options for people who don't want mixed formations, I'll be fine. On that note, even if you keep the option to add the Executioner within the Company Detachments, it would probably be a good idea to add a Company Support formation for them anyway.
@mattman (mostly)
Actually, there could a an actual problem with mixed formations, as well as formations with variable sizes, as far as the Points Formula is concerned. [This does not affect NEGold values.] Well, perhaps "problem" is too strong of a word. It will make figuring out the final cost of the detachment more complicated. While the adjustments for Chain-of-Command, Morale, and formation type can be applied before the total number of models in the detachment is known, Break Point cannot be adjusted for until then. This is because the value of each model in a detachment is reduced by the amount that the detachment's BP is below 100%. This adjustment is always done after all other modifiers. To illustrate:
_ Example A: A Shadowsword has only one model in it's detachment, thus it's value is at 100%.
_ Example B: A NEGold Terminator Support Formation has four Terminator stands and two Land Raiders for a total of six models. It has a BP of 3, and thus all of the models in this formation have their value reduced by 50%.
_ Example C: A NEGold Land Raider Support formation has three Land Raiders with a BP of 2. The value of each model is multiplied by 2/3 (IE, reduced by 1/3) as a result.
_ Example D: A NEGold Land Raider Company has three detachments each with three tanks plus one Command tank for ten models and a BP of 5. The value of each model in this detachment is reduced by 50%.
In other words, a NEGold Land Raider has a higher final Points Formula value when in a Support formation and a lower one when with Terminators or in a Company because they are more likely to break sooner. Similarly, if a Land Raider Support formation were allowed to take two additional Land Raiders, it would then have five models and a BP of 3, and would then have to adjust the final value of each model by 3/5 rather than by 2/3.
[Just to say it again, these adjustments by percentages DO NOT apply to NEGold values, just Points Formula based ones.]
Thus while having variably sized formation is good for giving players more flexibility, it will mean more math when figuring out the final formation costs. Note that I'm not saying that there should not be variably sized formations. I'm just giving a 'heads up' that it will make things complicated in a way that people may not have anticipated.
@mattman (entirely)
Oh, it has been known for a while that Platinum would be including mixed formations and I have no issue with that. The only reason I'm really pushing on this here is because squiggleamp seems to be using these for NEGold, and he seems (to me) to be doing things incorrectly. He also often doesn't explain things clearly, thus I keep trying to get clarification.
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