Elsaurio wrote:
StevekCole wrote:
Lists and results for Squat lists in Epic UK tournaments to date can be found here, just search under Squats.
http://epic-uk.co.uk/ukepicachampionship/albyr.phpFeel free to extrapolate as you will.
An FYI, I think I sustained with a unit 4 times in the whole tournament and advanced about twice. Overlords were, for me, the weakest unit in my list (either dying or hiding) - MVP were probably the gyros or the thunderfires.
All games were played with standard Epic UK tournament rules (all terrain is infinite height etc).
It's only a sample of two squat armies but what I make of it is this:
Squat generals are only taking the same few cherry picked choices over and over again.
Bezerkers.
Thunderfires.
Bikes.
Overlords.
+ all the war machines.
There might be a gyro or two in there.
What are we not seeing?
Warriors
Thunderers
Thuds guns
Mole mortars
Moles
Hellbores
Rapiers
Tarantulas
Robots
If that doesn't indicate that there is something imbalanced in the Squat list then not much will.
Gotta say I disagree on this one, firstly Mark and I didn't have enough warriors painted up for the tournament. It is that simple! I'll definitely be taking them in future. Worth noting that the epic uk price for warriors makes them way more viable as choice than in net ea.
In the UK lists thud guns, mole mortars, rapiers, robots etc are all the same unit (heavy support) and I find that a bit sub par (though others have differed on that thread and said it's overpowered). Tunnlers for me aren't as good as rhinos, they'll win you the odd game but more often than not they just get destroyed. Thunderers are fine but for me there's better support options, land trains likewise.
Also, slightly inaccurate just to say 'all the war engines' as it implies there isn't choice there. That's a thousand points we spent completely differently.
Basically, of the 13 units available in the list 9 were taken. Hardly an imbalance. Also, you should remember Mark and I are in the same club so there's always going to be a bit of group think going on with our lists. It'll be interesting to see what players from other clubs bring.
In summary, 2 units (thunderers & land train) are IMO a bit weaker than others (which is totally normal list wise), another (infantry) is really good but we aren't fast enough painters (15 rhinos, 2 thunderfires, and a few infantry stands in a week was enough for me) and another (heavy support) Mark and I don't rate another but some people think it's awesome (so a personal preference and play style issue).
Lastly, worth noting I finished above my tournament par and Mark below so in terms of our expectations as players it pretty much balances out (if that makes sense). I'd also say that our results contradict the feedback from cancon as my lower overlord count, lower activation list did better. But I'd say the BIG learning is don't read too much into one set of results!!!! My list is pretty much the EPIC UK version of the the Net EA list I used in the non official London Derby last year where my results were 2 draws and a loss (see here
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=134&t=29645. Still don't agree? Look at the Dark Eldar results, 5 wins 1 draw at Wrath of the Tyrant make it look amazing, 2 wins 3 losses at the GT make it look meh.
I certainly wouldn't draw any firm conclusions until you've seen various tournaments, with various lists used, and various players using them.