1) I don't think the Stubborn rule applies where a formation is broken. AFAIK the stubborn rule allows Squats to re-roll '1's in assaults and rallies, but has no other effects.

2) A Fearless WE has a considerable latitude if it is broken

and

The latest version of stubborn in Thurgrim Stronghold 1.4 is a lot different


I think it's the above rule Rastaman is referring to.

From the above rule I guess it really says the same as the fearless rule, if you choose to withdraw then it's 5cm that's the deal. RAW does not grant immunity (unless staying put like you point out Rastaman) to the war engines but really just confirms what the fearless rule states in case of a withdrawal move (and adds the limitation of only one 15 cm move).

Ah - in which case I understand the dilemma.

Note that this version is not quite the same as "Fearless" as there is no option to stand still without being destroyed, and that faster formations are apparently restricted to infantry speed (15cm).

Yes it is very restrictive and takes a lot of remembering to get right. If you are a fearless war engine then you can
1) Stay still as any fearless war engine can, or
2) Move up to 15 cm, but making sure that you stay outside of 5cm of any enemy units so as not to be destroyed.

If you are not fearless then as a Squat you can only do 2) which for Bikes, Gyrocopters and Overlords is a real ******.

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Yes it does mean that, but remember fearless units has the option of not withdrawing and could therefore survive.

Tiny-Tim pegged it. Like in life, being stubborn is both a negative and a positive quality. You can picture the Squats refusing orders in order to stay close to the front lines, barking at their opponents about how they'll slice off all four thousand of their heads with a salad fork if given half a chance.

With all this said, Squats have an easy time rallying, with the worst situation being they need a 4+ for a broken formation. Blast markers vanish quickly with these fellows.

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Hmm... Do you mean that squats still are suppost to have the +1 to rally bonus? Because in that case that particular sentence is missing in the Thurgrim 1.4 document in the sticky thread.

Might be worth updating to 1.41 as that's rather important

I changed it to be simpler. If you look at the army list it says all formations activate on a 2+ and rally on a 1+. It makes more sense since ALL the formations have it, why set a value for something only to change it with a special rule for all formations?
1+ rally
-2 for broken
-1 for being within 15cm
= 4+ rally to unbreak

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Ok great I didn't catch that.

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