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Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Developmental)
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Author:  Norto [ Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Developmental)
Hello All,

Version 1.0 is up and running, Ive had a couple of games with it so far and cant see much of a problem with it. Would love to get a second opinion from someone else giving them a go.

Feedback welcome, good or bad.

Version 1.0
* Fix up some stats
* Acolytes to 5+ Armour

Version 1.1
* Change some names and weapon stats as has been pointed out
* Landing craft to 1/3 Aircraft and Allies
* Terminators and Bikes in Corvus Black Stars to try out taking up 2 spots.

Version 1.1
* Watch Master added and the Inquisitor Lord removed. I'm going to save the inquisitor lord in the mobile command center for the xenos, malleus lists ect. Also with the watch master in command Ive upped the strat to 5 back in line with marines.

Current Version
Version 1.3b (same as 1.3 just some name changes)
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Older Versions
Version 1.3
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Version 1.2
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Version 1.1
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Version 1.0
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Thanks
Norto
Author:  mordoten [ Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
looks interesting and good!
Author:  PFE200 [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
If you are doing deathwatch based on 8ed, yeah it's off little....I would have loved to see mix units of bikes/assault/­Tactical/termites and they also seem to have a higher level of Heavy weapons too, in their tac and termies....I know you have access to 8th Ed index for DW, have look and see want you can do with mixing those formation together….That kind of mixing may not work at epic level...I think the mix unit, is want really makes the DW different from the standard marines….You may need to restricted how many of each though...
Author:  Norto [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
Hey Greg,


Maybe i could add up grades for bikestands/attack bike stands? Also an upgrade for a Plasma Cannon on a stand?


How about this

Kill Teeam
Units: 4 Kill Team units plus transport
Upgrades: Commander, Dreadnought, Land Raider, Razorback
*2 Bikes Stands/Attack Bikes Stands, 2 Black Shield, 1 Plasma Cannon(as a upgrade to a kill team stand)*
Points: 250 points

Bikes stands and black shields and plasma cannon as extra points of course.

Keen for the termite if people are keen on it, but is it a heresy unit?


Also found this online
*Venator Tactics were developed to fight Wych Cults. First created by Jaaghen Khan, Venator tactics involve using Jetbikes to engage in long running battles leading their fire. The enemy is eventually struck by an encirclement maneuver that swings back to surround them.*

Should i be adding marine jetbikes?
Author:  mordoten [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
I think neither termites or jetbikes are needed really.
Author:  PFE200 [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
Norto wrote:
Hey Greg,

Maybe i could add up grades for bikestands/attack bike stands? Also an upgrade for a Plasma Cannon on a stand?

How about this

Kill Teeam
Units: 4 Kill Team units plus transport
Upgrades: Commander, Dreadnought, Land Raider, Razorback
*2 Bikes Stands/Attack Bikes Stands, 2 Black Shield, 1 Plasma Cannon(as a upgrade to a kill team stand)*
Points: 250 points

Bikes stands and black shields and plasma cannon as extra points of course.


Yep that's a start...

I agree with Mordoten about jet-bikes, leave them out...But, I would do some test runs with the Termis upgraded, say only two stands at the most..See how it goes, they will be walking or been transported by LR's(not cheap) and yes i would drop the termis formation from the list, if the upgrade option was put into list....so give and take :) but that's your choice

Corvus Black Star could have transport ability..yes in 8ed it can transport 12 models, so you could limited two stands..but that's your choice and I gather it would create other issues, some where in the list..so give and take :)
Author:  kyussinchains [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
having read some of the fluff and background for the deathwatch, I'm not sure about the corvus blackstar..... seems much more akin to a beefed up valkyrie or storm raven than a fighter aircraft.... I'd prefer to see it as a unit transport/gunship rather than a fighter, just stick the ol' reliable tbolts or lightnings in the list for air support
Author:  mordoten [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
Oh, I'm an idiot. Is "termites" just another word for terminators? Or is is the Squat transport option? If itäs the first I'm very much for keeping them in the list, if it's the second i think they have no place...
Author:  jimmyzimms [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
kyussinchains wrote:
having read some of the fluff and background for the deathwatch, I'm not sure about the corvus blackstar..... seems much more akin to a beefed up valkyrie or storm raven than a fighter aircraft.... I'd prefer to see it as a unit transport/gunship rather than a fighter, just stick the ol' reliable tbolts or lightnings in the list for air support


No you're totally correct Kyuss. It's a VTOL (actually HAS the VTOL USR in 6th edition). While it could zip around like a AC gunship, in practice it certainly isn't used as an Aircraft typically. The blackstar, like the Storm Raven, are basically Bell Huey attack chopper from Vietnam but IN SPAAAAAACE. Remember avatar? It's like a smaller version of that giant attack skimmer.

From the codex itself
Quote:
Once in position it will switch to hovercraft, deploying the Deathwatch Space Marines held within.


That's a planetfalling skimmer OR perhaps a Support Craft if I've seen one. It, statwise, sits somewhere in between a Raven and an Eagle in defense and closer to Eagles on the killy side.

Also FYI the rumor mill has them up soon for the 8th edition update so expect new stuff/updated stats.
Author:  Norto [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
Hey guys,

Definitely keen to try and represent stuff from 40k. I don't play 40k so a guy like me looking at the stats it looks like an aircraft to me :D.

Do you have an idea stats for epic? I'm guessing it should planet fall in to support the threat that's getting out of hand?
Author:  PFE200 [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
jimmyzimms wrote:
Also FYI the rumor mill has them up soon for the 8th edition update so expect new stuff/updated stats.


It not a rumor it was confirmed at AdeptiCon...That they would be getting a codex, along with Imperial Knights and Harlequins....
Author:  jimmyzimms [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
Sorry the rumor is NEXT not that they're coming. Terribad wording.
Author:  PFE200 [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
jimmyzimms wrote:
Sorry the rumor is NEXT not that they're coming. Terribad wording.


We are all human and not a !@#$%^& Robot

mordoten wrote:
Oh, I'm an idiot. Is "termites" just another word for terminators? Or is is the Squat transport option? If itäs the first I'm very much for keeping them in the list, if it's the second i think they have no place...



Sorry my fault, should be terminators not termites, having nightmares about the little buggers ;D ;D
Author:  jimmyzimms [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
Aren't they the size of a cat down there and probably venomous as well ;)
Author:  Norto [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ordo Xenos - Death Watch 2018 (Experimental)
Venomous in Australia?? Nooooo. :D

Ive done an update to the list, ill try not to make knee jerking changes but wanted to get basic structure right after the great feedback. Hope this fits more the roll of the units.
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