Consul Avenging Angel wrote:
Yeah swap too stormtalon (I assume that's what meant with stormraven?) for 200 points for 2 and have the option too take 1 hunter for 75 points or 2 hunters for 125 points. Also I have written up a pdf version for what we have been discussing can post it later.
Sweet, sounds good to me
Stormwind wrote:
Arguing that the 40k Knights don't have a Hunter, therefore the Epic ones shouldn't get a Hunter is like arguing that because they don't get a Warlord titan in that scale, they don't get one in Epic scale!
Well sort of. The difference being that obviously one is a humungous walking robot of death, only making appearances in large scale engagements, while the other is mounted on a rhino chassis.
To be honest, it's not something I really feel strongly about. Like I said earlier, I can imagine the GK having a range of vehicles and weapons available to them and when fighting larger scale operations like in NetEA, they pull out the big toys.
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The Storm raven is something you can stomach as it's a multi role gunship/transport vehicle, but the storm talon is an ABSURDITY that goes against decades of fluff and common sense.
I agree, in a perfect would the Stormraven would count as a flier rather than a skimmer. But it appears the Astartes community as a whole has decided a skimmer best fits their profile which is fine I guess.
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I /like/ that this army has the Inquisition and thunderbolt support. It makes sense esp. when you read the Siege of Vraks stuff.
I like it too, but I also like that in 40K an inquisitor and his troops can fight alongside any Imperial force. It would be cool if the Inquisition stuff was split out into a separate list that could be added to any Imperial list, so I could have Inquisitors in my regular marines or my Imperial Guard.
My main beef when I started posting on this thread was to get the stats for the GK infantry sorted out since they seemed very backwards. Now that everyone seems happy with the proposed changes it's just a matter of looking at the last pieces of the puzzle and thinking "is this the most
Grey Knights option we can come up with?" I mean, regular Astartes are probably going to be operating in a joint Imperial taskforce most of the time, and when they're not they can at least use Hunters to try and keep the skies clear. Grey Knights on the other hand almost never fight alongside other Imperial forces, and in 40K at least rely on their Stormravens to keep the enemy fliers at bay. It could make sense though, for them to have access to Hunters and when anticipating more enemy fliers to deploy them.
AC Stormravens would make more sense to me than Thunderbolts, but I can understand why they are the way they are.
At the very least, it would be cool if we could replace their missiles with some kind of anti-air missile. I mean, they lost their Mindstrike missiles in the last codex and they got Stormstrike missiles instead, so I don't see why not, except that it might upset other Astartes players that our Stormravens have better stats than theirs.
I know personally that if I could rely on my Stormravens to provde some anti-air firepower, I wouldn't bother with Stormtalons.